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Recently lost my job and have started signing on a couple of weeks back. I know all I will get tops is c£64 per week for 26 weeks. Now the lady behind the desk was clearly a foreign national. As a general advocate of the EU I can accept this. But as I was going in, three people were leaving speaking in an unknown foreign tounge. Now I would suspect that their financial situation will entitle them to quite a lot more than me. It is possible they will be better off here on benefits than in their own country. There are many more there like that as well. I think to myself, this can't really be right. Any sense of ownership I have or had in my country is somewhat diminished. I'm sorry, but it's just not right. If these, then why not allow everyone who wants to?

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Sorry to hear you're in that situation and I wish you all the best in finding work again soon.

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I rather thought any benefits you claimed here as an eu person were paid by your state at their normal rates.

No. As an EU citizen you are entitled to claim - and be treated in every other respect - as a national of whatever EU state you are in.

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Thought it was no benefits for 2 years and after that you can claim like a local?

Either way, the polish and Indians which make up the bulk of the “immigrants†claim a lot less than the natives relative to population.

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Recently lost my job and have started signing on a couple of weeks back. I know all I will get tops is c£64 per week for 26 weeks. Now the lady behind the desk was clearly a foreign national. As a general advocate of the EU I can accept this. But as I was going in, three people were leaving speaking in an unknown foreign tounge. Now I would suspect that their financial situation will entitle them to quite a lot more than me. It is possible they will be better off here on benefits than in their own country. There are many more there like that as well. I think to myself, this can't really be right. Any sense of ownership I have or had in my country is somewhat diminished. I'm sorry, but it's just not right. If these, then why not allow everyone who wants to?

Get a grip man. Immigration is a normal part of the modern world. Get used to it. If these people are able to claim they are clearly here legally. It works both ways - lots of brits emmigrate to better places.

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Thought it was no benefits for 2 years and after that you can claim like a local?

Either way, the polish and Indians which make up the bulk of the “immigrants†claim a lot less than the natives relative to population.

True that Polish and Indians are less likely to claim, as are Chinese. However, some immigrant groups perform very differently to other immigrant groups.

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Get a grip man. Immigration is a normal part of the modern world. Get used to it. If these people are able to claim they are clearly here legally. It works both ways - lots of brits emmigrate to better places.

I think he's refering to the behaviour of the immigrants. I havent heard of too many brits emigrating to take advantage of the generous benefits systems of Dubai/USA/Spain etc etc. Most UK emigrants seem to be middle class and have funding and skills.

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I think he's refering to the behaviour of the immigrants. I havent heard of too many brits emigrating to take advantage of the generous benefits systems of Dubai/USA/Spain etc etc. Most UK emigrants seem to be middle class and have funding and skills.

Well we are being told that lots of the middle classes are losing their jobs. I expect UK emmigrants are claiming all over the world.

A lot of immigrants are probably cleaning toliets in office blocks as we speak. They do the jobs us brits think are beneath us. The country wouldn't function without them. If the OP can find some stats as to how many immigrants are working/claiming benefit he might have a point. But he's seen a few dark faces in the dole office and now he thinks the country is being taken over.

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No. As an EU citizen you are entitled to claim - and be treated in every other respect - as a national of whatever EU state you are in.

Which EU country offers the best benefits system overall?

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Well we are being told that lots of the middle classes are losing their jobs. I expect UK emmigrants are claiming all over the world.

A lot of immigrants are probably cleaning toliets in office blocks as we speak. They do the jobs us brits think are beneath us. The country wouldn't function without them. If the OP can find some stats as to how many immigrants are working/claiming benefit he might have a point. But he's seen a few dark faces in the dole office and now he thinks the country is being taken over.

With regards to that point, i posted this article a while back. Ranges from 80% of Somalians not working/ in subsidised housing to 5% of Australians/French/Canadians in subsidised housing.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article...ayer/article.do

I imagine all the brits all come back here to claim benefits. Every loser comes here apparently. People to get divorced, people to get made bankrupt.

Misery island, thats what we are.

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I think he's refering to the behaviour of the immigrants. I havent heard of too many brits emigrating to take advantage of the generous benefits systems of Dubai/USA/Spain etc etc. Most UK emigrants seem to be middle class and have funding and skills.

A child was born in Poland say in 1985. It was raised (taken care of by the Polish NHS), it went through the Polish education system (funded by the Polish taxpayer), Primary and Secondary Schools and then onto the University. They are now leaving the Polish Uni with a MA degree as a young, well-mannered, healthy, ambitious person and... move to the UK to work really hard there. I bet the Polish taxpayer is really happy to see those young people contributing to the UK's pension system.

Tell me now, who benefits more in this situation: Poland or the UK?

On the other hand you have wealthy Brits who 'have funding and skills' and what do they do? By their speculative approach to properties, they managed to push property prices in many European countries (eg. Spain) so high that many young nationals in those countries can't afford to live in their own country.

The world has never been black and white.

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Which EU country offers the best benefits system overall?

Don't know really. At a guess, one of the Scandinavian ones. I think Sweden has huge immigration figures.

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Which is one reason why so many of us advocate leaving the EU.

Better suggestion - leave the Commonwealth. That's where the refugees come from, and they qualify for eye-popping housing benefits and can't be sent home. EU migrants are largely a benefit, and they do actually go home. The mighty Poles have left in their droves because they ... o my god ... work in a single market and go where the work is rather than rest on the dole. Plus they ultimately buy UK product.

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Thought it was no benefits for 2 years and after that you can claim like a local?

Either way, the polish and Indians which make up the bulk of the “immigrants†claim a lot less than the natives relative to population.

A national of an EU state has rights to work in, and to seek work in, any other EU state. If they are exercising those rights they are entitled to be treated in exactly the same manner as a national of whatever state they chose to work/seek work in.

You'd be amazed what you can do as an EU citizen. Actually, you'd be amazed at what you can do if you have a dependent relative who's an EU citizen...basically the same as an EU citizen.

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A child was born in Poland say in 1985. It was raised (taken care of by the Polish NHS), it went through the Polish education system (funded by the Polish taxpayer), Primary and Secondary Schools and then onto the University. They are now leaving the Polish Uni with a MA degree as a young, well-mannered, healthy, ambitious person and... move to the UK to work really hard there. I bet the Polish taxpayer is really happy to see those young people contributing to the UK's pension system.

Tell me now, who benefits more in this situation: Poland or the UK?

On the other hand you have wealthy Brits who 'have funding and skills' and what do they do? By their speculative approach to properties, they managed to push property prices in many European countries (eg. Spain) so high that many young nationals in those countries can't afford to live in their own country.

The world has never been black and white.

Did i criticise any polish?

Did you even read what i wrote or the article? I guess not, it illustrates what hard workers the polish are.

Did i say things are black and white? The article shows things as different shades of grey on national lines.

Dont know why i bother. Some around here just prefer single word answers.

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Recently lost my job and have started signing on a couple of weeks back. I know all I will get tops is c£64 per week for 26 weeks. Now the lady behind the desk was clearly a foreign national. As a general advocate of the EU I can accept this. But as I was going in, three people were leaving speaking in an unknown foreign tounge. Now I would suspect that their financial situation will entitle them to quite a lot more than me. It is possible they will be better off here on benefits than in their own country. There are many more there like that as well. I think to myself, this can't really be right. Any sense of ownership I have or had in my country is somewhat diminished. I'm sorry, but it's just not right. If these, then why not allow everyone who wants to?

Me to.I lost my job about 1 months ago. I guess you must be white, middle aged and have worked all your life because this is what we get for a life of toil.I get jsa £64, i paid more than this in NI contributions some weeks when i worked.

It seems to me that if you are in the top say 3% earners you just dont care about anything and can hide away in your house half way up a hill. Or you can be in the say 20% that dont give a toss, wont work, breed like rabbits,get fat, and spit and curse at anyone who crosses them.Then there is the immigration problem that thrives on our generous benefit system,my area has changed beyound belief it is now a magnet for migrants, not just EU member states.We are FULL! we are over poulated,and our system cannot support this.

It seems to me that everyone i talk to knows the problem, it is just that to me it seems that this goverment supports minorities who then dictate and change laws to suit their beliefs.

I am going to get a ferry to France and come back here as a Gay,disabled,obese,muslim,Somallian.That should sort out my benefits!

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Which EU country offers the best benefits system overall?

I think Germany have quite generous benefits.

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A child was born in Poland say in 1985. It was raised (taken care of by the Polish NHS), it went through the Polish education system (funded by the Polish taxpayer), Primary and Secondary Schools and then onto the University. They are now leaving the Polish Uni with a MA degree as a young, well-mannered, healthy, ambitious person and... move to the UK to work really hard there. I bet the Polish taxpayer is really happy to see those young people contributing to the UK's pension system.

Tell me now, who benefits more in this situation: Poland or the UK?

On the other hand you have wealthy Brits who 'have funding and skills' and what do they do? By their speculative approach to properties, they managed to push property prices in many European countries (eg. Spain) so high that many young nationals in those countries can't afford to live in their own country.

The world has never been black and white.

This is the only intelligent post on this forum.

You can replace Poland with any country from which highly skilled migrants come to do the work for lazy Brits who

think they can get rich just by watching their house prices rise.

In our universities, students study soft stupid subjects like media studies instead of useful ones like science and engineering (just too hard for the poor things!) and even the small number who do study the useful hard subjects end up going to work in the bloated financial sector, now seen to be no more than a house of cards which will soon be seen to have made little or no long term contribution to the real economy.

Al I can say is that you probably wouldn't be unemployed if you were doing something actually useful like plumbing rather than some meaningless middle management services job.

And the foreign person at the job centre is probably more reliable and hardworking than his/her British coworkers.

Why - they actually got off their butt and travelled to a foreign country to find work. This is something you should consider in your new idle state - but you probably can't be bothered to learn a foreign languages so you'll probably just stay on the dole here and get bitter.

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I am going to get a ferry to France and come back here as a Gay,disabled,obese,muslim,Somallian.

That's some make-over.

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Thought it was no benefits for 2 years and after that you can claim like a local?

Either way, the polish and Indians which make up the bulk of the “immigrants†claim a lot less than the natives relative to population.

Not saying your lieing but links please because than not what i see on the streets

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Personally I think the government's disastrous policy of mass immigration was doing far more damage during the boom years than it is now. Just as with the country's spiralling levels of debt, we failed to look just a few years ahead at what the consequences would be. For a decade now our young people have had to compete for low paid, entry level jobs with an almost inexhaustible supply of cheap foreign labour who often possessed considerably more skills and experience. Wages actually went down whilst the dream of a FTB home simply spiralled out of reach. Many young people simply lost heart while older generations bragged about how much their house had gone up in value and how cheap their Polish handyman and Lithuanian cleaner were.

The result now is that 1 in 5 young British people in this country is unemployed - that's 928,000 people. The unrestrained immigration of the last decade has played a major role in creating a situation that may well cause problems for decades to come. 'Go to university,' the government would say but, their 'knowledge economy' plans are a joke. Think about it for a moment. In the past you got a crap, entry level job, but you worked you socks off, learned from your managers, bettered yourself and you could work your way up. The result was social mobility. What Labour want to create is a society of 'knowledge workers' and 'menial workers' in which people become trapped in insecure, low-pay, low-skill jobs with no prospects because they lack a media studies degree from Luton College of Knowledge. The only escape is to take on massive levels of debt. The result is an increasingly divided society riven by inequality. Well done you ignorant socialist scum!

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Better suggestion - leave the Commonwealth. That's where the refugees come from, and they qualify for eye-popping housing benefits and can't be sent home. EU migrants are largely a benefit, and they do actually go home.

For Commonwealth citizens the UK can further restrict immigration rules, visas, work permits, and entitlement to benefits at any time. For EU citizens the UK can't.

Consider the case of Mrs. Rochelle Wallis, a Canadian citizen married to a Welshman but not allowed to join her husband until she is 21. By contrast, a Somalian granted asylum by the Netherlands can just move here (as many do) and claim benefits as soon as they arrive despite having no connection with the UK or indeed any other Commonwealth country.

'Marriage law row wife leaves UK':

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8245411.stm

A married Canadian woman has flown out of Heathrow under imminent threat of deportation from the UK.

Rochelle Wallis was one of the first people to fall foul of the unintended consequences of rules brought in last year to stop forced marriages.

The 19-year-old married her husband Adam, from Ceredigion, in November 2008, two years after they first met.

But her visa had expired and she was told she must return to Canada and could not come back until she turns 21.

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