1,100 More Jobs Go--this Time Its B A E

[Realistbear]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8256404.stm

BAE Systems 'to cut 1,100 jobs'

BAE is a major supplier of weapons and equipment to the British Army

Defence giant BAE Systems is to cut 1,100 jobs and close its facility in Woodford, Cheshire, a union has said.

The Confederation of Shipbuilding and Engineering Unions (CSEU) said the news was "bitterly disappointing".

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Pace picks up as winter draws near and the long, cold dark nights beckon.

Edited September 15, 2009 by Realistbear

[Laura]

1,100 More Jobs Go--this Time Its B E A

BEA finished in the early 70s IIRC Rb!

[Gone baby gone]

Time for another pointless military engagement, obviously Afghanistan is the wrong kind of war to sell expensive hardware.

[OnlyMe]

Excellent,

Another ludicrously overpriced brownfield development site for a bunch of crooked bankers and developers to spunk some more money at in the making.

Long live the property economy.

[lurker07]

Time for another pointless military engagement, obviously Afghanistan is the wrong kind of war to sell expensive hardware.

what about those pesky iranians?

[Realistbear]

Not all doom and gloom, the BAE losses are offset by:

http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/15092009/325/pound...-christmas.html

Tuesday September 15, 10:12 AM

Reuters

Poundland to hire 2,000 for Christmas

LONDON (Reuters) - Discount retailer Poundland will recruit up to 2,000 temporary staff for the peak Christmas trading period, it said on Tuesday.

[R K]

Terribly sad. These are high quality engineering jobs in the main too I think.

Woodford was the Lancaster bomber factory during the war and subsequently built the Vulcan bomber.

It has been under constant threat for years - You won't be suprised to learn that it is right on the southern boundary of the Greater Manchester connurbation next to prime residential areas nestling at the foot of the peak district before you get to Macclesfield.

I can see it becoming a residential building site rather imminently.

[Ron Forthehills]

When the BAE Hawk assembly line at Brough (Humberside ) closes in the near future, there will be NO MORE serial aircraft assembly in the UK, just engines and Airbus components.

Armstrong-Siddeley, Avro, Blackburn, Bristol, Hawker, Boulton Paul, de Havilland, Handley-Page, Shorts, Scottish Aviation - all gone.

[R K]

When the BAE Hawk assembly line at Brough (Humberside ) closes in the near future, there will be NO MORE serial aircraft assembly in the UK, just engines and Airbus components.

Armstrong-Siddeley, Avro, Blackburn, Bristol, Hawker, Boulton Paul, de Havilland, Handley-Page, Shorts, Scottish Aviation - all gone.

Perhaps someone at the TUC can have a rant at Gordon over it.

I'm sure we'll get some smug, arrogant, sh1te spouting forth from Mandelslime's mouth in due course about rebalancing the economy from bankstering to er.......to....er........

[The Masked Tulip]

Time for another pointless military engagement, obviously Afghanistan is the wrong kind of war to sell expensive hardware.

Well observed.

Apparently they don't want to send helicopters because the cost per hour per helio of flying time would mean a huge budget so best to hide behind not enough birds, not yet ready to fly despite being bought 8 years ago, not enough pilots, any old excuse...

Meanwhile, that dreadful Harmperson comes up with more and more ways of stamping her nasty post-femminist nastiness on both the Public and Private Sectors.

What will happen when we do have to fight a war against someone with planes and tanks and things and we no longer have any?

[interestrateripoff]

More traction for the jobless recovery.

[OnlyMe]

Red Karma,

Didn't know about the site's position, but makes perfect sense.

10 years of rampant banksterism has effectively paid and encouraged UK companies (via brownfield site price inflation) to dismantle some or all of their plants in this country, in fact some companies would have been mad NOT to have taken the bait.

This is state and central bank sponsored bulldozing of the future, the dreadful trade deficit is the metric they never want to talk about, almost as if it ceased to exist but all the while it hinted of the utter insanity of the policies being followed.

[Minos]

Not all doom and gloom, the BAE losses are offset by:

http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/15092009/325/pound...-christmas.html

Tuesday September 15, 10:12 AM

Reuters

Poundland to hire 2,000 for Christmas

LONDON (Reuters) - Discount retailer Poundland will recruit up to 2,000 temporary staff for the peak Christmas trading period, it said on Tuesday.

With all this deflation you should trademark 50p land or Pennyland before someone else does.

[Minos]

Perhaps someone at the TUC can have a rant at Gordon over it.

I'm sure we'll get some smug, arrogant, sh1te spouting forth from Mandelslime's mouth in due course about rebalancing the economy from bankstering to er.......to....er........

Calm down,. There'll be a NWO along any minute to save you from the unexpected chaos.

[R K]

Red Karma,

Didn't know about the site's position, but makes perfect sense.

10 years of rampant banksterism has effectively paid and encouraged UK companies (via brownfield site price inflation) to dismantle some or all of their plants in this country, in fact some companies would have been mad NOT to have taken the bait.

This is state and central bank sponsored bulldozing of the future, the dreadful trade deficit is the metric they never want to talk about, almost as if it ceased to exist but all the while it hinted of the utter insanity of the policies being followed.

If you google map it (Woodford, Cheshire) you'll see there is not only a factory but an airfield - 2 miles SE of Manchester Airport, 1 mile from Wilmslow, links to the M/way network and so on.

I'm sure you're spot.

[Warwick-Watcher]

If you google map it (Woodford, Cheshire) you'll see there is not only a factory but an airfield - 2 miles SE of Manchester Airport, 1 mile from Wilmslow, links to the M/way network and so on.

I'm sure you're spot.

If you read the article you'll see that Nimrod MRA4 production is going to end, hence the jobs going at the component and design sites too. This aircraft is based on one-off hand made airframes and guess what? There aren't many of them. There's no demand for this aircraft type outside of the UK RAF so no export demand is likely.

Would you keep a site open for nothing? If so then you're probably be a Labour party supporter as sponging off the tax payer is all that party is good at.

The simple fact is that we don't spend enough on defence equipment to keep every vintage aircraft manufacturer going, nor shipbuilder for that matter (another BAE arm).

[OnlyMe]

If you read the article you'll see that Nimrod MRA4 production is going to end, hence the jobs going at the component and design sites too. This aircraft is based on one-off hand made airframes and guess what? There aren't many of them. There's no demand for this aircraft type outside of the UK RAF so no export demand is likely.

Would you keep a site open for nothing? If so then you're probably be a Labour party supporter as sponging off the tax payer is all that party is good at.

The simple fact is that we don't spend enough on defence equipment to keep every vintage aircraft manufacturer going, nor shipbuilder for that matter (another BAE arm).

Well they used to make ATP and 146's there. Whatever, once it is gone it is gone, the economic arguments still stand, little investment and dwindling capability it is. There is only so much space you can sell off. Give it a few years and I bet BAE will be swallowed by a US outfit and that will be it.

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[efdemin]

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The simple fact is that we don't spend enough on defence equipment to keep every vintage aircraft manufacturer going, nor shipbuilder for that matter (another BAE arm).

Dunno about that, we spend more than most other countries except the USA, China, Russia maybe?

The problem is BAE have been able to sponge/extract long-running contracts from the MOD making custom hardware for the UK only. If they had actually had to compete in other markets, who knows they might have come up with kit that is actually reliable, versatile and (relatively) good value for money...

Instead, for the Nimrod project we've been renovating 60 year old airframes (hand building new wings because each airframe is unique since it was itself hand-made originally), installing modern electronics (but mainly american ones) etc. etc.

Surely it would have been cheaper to buy these sorts of planes from the US. Or even start a new project based at woodford but using a modern airframe (Airbus or Boeing) which would also be more fuel efficient, cheaper to repair (more spares) etc.

Regardless, it's typical of short-sighted UK management to close a plant like this. They will lose all of those skilled technicians and engineers. Instead they could use them to develop a new product and actively sell it to the MOD or other airforces. But no, unless the taxpayer is funding them, they don't want to invest in any R&D...

[Ruffneck]

When the BAE Hawk assembly line at Brough (Humberside ) closes in the near future, there will be NO MORE serial aircraft assembly in the UK, just engines and Airbus components.

Armstrong-Siddeley, Avro, Blackburn, Bristol, Hawker, Boulton Paul, de Havilland, Handley-Page, Shorts, Scottish Aviation - all gone.

it's coming to an end mate

how much longer can the UK survive on this ponzi service economy whilst all it's manufacturing goes offshore?

surely not long now

[jackalope]

Surely it would have been cheaper to buy these sorts of planes from the US. Or even start a new project based at woodford but using a modern airframe (Airbus or Boeing) which would also be more fuel efficient, cheaper to repair (more spares) etc.

Nimrod MRA.4 unit cost : $660m

Boeing P-8A unit cost : $220m

So based on 9 airframes keeping these jobs going has cost us $3.96bn extra by doing MRA.4 instead of just buying the Boeing Poseidon off the shelf. These must be the most expensive jobs in the history of British industry.

[R K]

If you read the article you'll see that Nimrod MRA4 production is going to end, hence the jobs going at the component and design sites too. This aircraft is based on one-off hand made airframes and guess what? There aren't many of them. There's no demand for this aircraft type outside of the UK RAF so no export demand is likely.

Would you keep a site open for nothing? If so then you're probably be a Labour party supporter as sponging off the tax payer is all that party is good at.

The simple fact is that we don't spend enough on defence equipment to keep every vintage aircraft manufacturer going, nor shipbuilder for that matter (another BAE arm).

I don't need to read the article to know what's going on, thanks.

600 highly skilled airframe technician/engineering jobs gone - many permanently.

Perhaps they can retrain as casual brickies and hod carriers.

[@contradevian]

Perhaps they can retrain as casual brickies and hod carriers.

More likely they will retrain as Tesco shelf stackers and Poundshop sales assistants.

Capitalism, ruined by so called capitalists.

And all the BBC can whinge on about is how the staff of Lehman coped, one year on.

[Snugglybear]

Capitalism, ruined by so called capitalists.

Capitalists by their very nature don't care about the society or country in which they live or make their money, or any -ism, including capitalism. They just care about how much money they can make. It's what they do.

To rephrase Maggie, there's no such thing as capitalism, only capitalists.

[R K]

More likely they will retrain as Tesco shelf stackers and Poundshop sales assistants.

Capitalism, ruined by so called capitalists.

And all the BBC can whinge on about is how the staff of Lehman coped, one year on.

There's an abundance of college/student age kids around there who can undercut them on wages and like the 12-15 part-time hrs a week and the 'pocket money' wages to spend on mobiles, eating out, cinema, clubbing, Primark clothes and holidays.

Meanwhile Gordon and Mandelslime continue to sell us into poverty via their globalisation agenda.

Well, these are the 'birth pangs' he keeps banging on about.

[mjhodgson]

Give it a few years and I bet BAE will be swallowed by a US outfit and that will be it.

What is actually happening at BAE is the other way around. I believe that they now employ more American than British workers and already own quite a few US defence (sorry defense) companies. I think they use their current UK head office and business registration as a bargaining chip against the UK gov. i.e. "If we don't get our way with X or Y, then we'll move our head office to the US." In the future they will only have a UK business presence to get UK defence contracts, everything else will be elsewhere.