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Used-car Buyers Unwittingly Bought Ex-rental Vehicles

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Some have paid thousands of pounds over the odds after being told that their vehicles had “one previous owner†when they were rented to multiple drivers.

Two of Britain’s biggest hire firms have used a “front†company and an abbreviated company name to register vehicles, meaning buyers didn’t recognise the previous owner on the registration documents.

Other buyers were told that cars were “fleet†vehicles, or owned by manufacturers, only to discover later that they were among the 400,000 ex-rental cars sold on each year.

The Office of Fair Trading (OFT) is carrying out an extensive investigation into the £35 billion used car market, which is focusing on dealerships. It is preparing to publish fresh guidance on when firms should be prosecuted for misleading buyers.

The Liberal Democrats last night called for legal action over “shady tradingâ€. They said new regulations were needed to ensure every ex-rental vehicle was clearly labelled.

Motoring experts warned that consumers should keep an attitude of “buyer beware†and demand to know details of the car’s past before handing over money.

The most controversial cases involve cars that were previously hired out by National Car Rental, which is owned by Europcar, Britain's biggest car hire company, which has a fleet totalling 54,000.

The company registered vehicles in the name of Provincial Securities Ltd, a company it owns that did no business.

Several Peugeot drivers told The Daily Telegraph that they were shocked to discover that the former owner of their cars was a rental company.

Marc Owens, who bought a Peugeot 207 from an official dealership in Walsall, said: “If I had known before buying about its history I would have been dubious about buying it, due to the abuse rental cars can get by some of their drivers – the clutch, gearbox and so on.â€

Norman Baker, the Liberal Democrat transport spokesman, said: “This is shady trading in an attempt to get higher prices for vehicles that have been driven by many people, possibly carelessly. Every ex-rental vehicle should have to be clearly labelled.

Fantastic economic news, that means a lot of these drivers will be looking for another car in the next few years.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/6...l-vehicles.html

Fantastic economic news, that means a lot of these drivers will be looking for another car in the next few years.

"If I had known before buying about its history I would have been dubious about buying it, due to the abuse rental cars can get by some of their drivers – the clutch, gearbox and so on.â€"

The fastest car in the world as far as I am concerned

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Hire car laundering.

hire it, thrash it, put it through shell company and sell on.....clean as a whistle sir,

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absolute non-article preying on insecurities. Many of these cars have been run at full operating temp in top gear for a lot of the time (as well as revved to high heaven). I'd rather have one of those than a car that's been round town cold all the time.

Chief constable's personal car - had the crap kicked out of it by every policeman who ever got in it

management car - pool car - abused by everyone equally

our dealer principal's car - courtesy car battered by everyone from the customers to the sandwich run teenage monkey

Oh and if you ever see basic Polos with Lister dealership plates on them outside of Cov for sale (used to be SVC on the number plates), chances are they are ex bodyshop rental cars - when yours is damaged they give you one of those - imagine how they get driven....

are other favourites.

yet people are happy to buy an ex-motability car that's had the crap kicked out of it.

I've bought a daily ex-rental Focus - it was from Inverness airport (when it was a rental) and out of 30 I looked at (I am fussy), it was by far the best. It was a superb car that was perfectly reliable and cost nothing to run it. Thoroughly recommended.

Basic lesson, if you don't know what you are looking at, pay someone who does - just because you're buying it from a glass and chrome palace does not in itself mean it will be any better than buying it from a man with an angry rottweiler on a chain ....

and what do people think Ford do with these cars (or Vauxhall etc) anyway. Are their management expert mechanics and have mechanical sympathy - they mostly abuse the cars as much as anyone else.... - a fleet management car is one you kick the hell out of, surely mug punters know that too....

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I did a skid pan course run by the council and chatted about the car after I had put it through skids, rapid cadence braking and steering, driving on slippery services etc.

The answer was yes it is sold on after a few years as a one owner very low mileage vehicle.

As are the white pick-up trucks driven over sand and through sea by the lifeguards.

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I bought a 7 year old Ford Escort once which had been a rental car. Never bothered me in the slightest - in fact I figured it had probably been serviced regularly!

Who's to say your "one careful owner" wasn't the world's worst driver? My mum has the clutch permanently dipped... "one careful lady owner" indeed!

Why?

I used to be a very bad driver but this was one habit I didn't have.

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At least rental cars are serviced regularly.

The biggest downside would be the poverty specification to be honest.

Better than a car used by the yummy mummy to do 4 1-mile trips a day.

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and what do people think Ford do with these cars (or Vauxhall etc) anyway. Are their management expert mechanics and...

With all honesty, I must agree that Ford management are not experts.

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At least rental cars are serviced regularly.

The biggest downside would be the poverty specification to be honest.

Better than a car used by the yummy mummy to do 4 1-mile trips a day.

poverty spec ? Most rentals are the 'most saleable' spec. That's why the Fords are mostly Zetec spec, the VWs are SE (or GT TDi if a Golf). That saleable spec is usually (these days) aircon, metallic, CD, remote central locking, obviously all the safety kit and the like. Most 'spec' differences are things like gadgets - which are 'toys' not avoiding poverty spec - and TBH, if you want to spend £2.5K putting leather and nav into a shopping cart, then you're welcome to it !

her Focus (2004), was air, CD, heated front screen (marvellous thing), PAS, sports seats, remote locking, alloys, metallic, electric windows, mirrors etc - what's missing. All that you could really have stuck on it were cruise, leather and trip computer (or CD stacker, and let's be honest, that is so 1990s).

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As pointed out a silly season non story.Daily hire cars typically get picked up from the airport and driven around for a week by someone just like you and me.Or given to someone whose car has been damaged and is being repaired.If you tried to "thrash" a modern car you would wind up dead,even the basic ones will do 100mph. Some of the worst cars I see are motability - one owner driver,often with low mileages and covered in dents/scrapes by people who can't drive properly.

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"If I had known before buying about its history I would have been dubious about buying it, due to the abuse rental cars can get by some of their drivers – the clutch, gearbox and so on.â€"

The fastest car in the world as far as I am concerned

Agree totally, hire cars always seem to go faster. They also like to be driven in low gears for faster acceleration and also have special gearboxes allowing changes upwards without dipping the clutch!

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Along the same sort of lines.... the girlfriend was just browsing for a car the other day. Unfortunately she wanted to look at Arnold Clarks... as soon as we entered the court a shady salesman cam over and told us where each type of car was, what the things in the window meant etc - after us telling him we didn't want to be hassled and knew what we were doing. He then told us he'd catch up in 5 minutes.... !?!? He LITERALLY tailed us and after my girlfriend told him there was nothing she saw he kept going on and on about trying this car or the other, trying to secure a sale despite her saying she wasn't even sure she was going to buy! At the end he asked for details but she said no and he sort of harrumphed.

One year ago I went to Arnold Clarks for a car - long story short I ended up getting shouted at by the manager as I pulled out of a possible deal (something was very dodgy with the engine in a Toyota I tried) - I was taken aback and red-faced. The way I was treated was shocking - they tried to force me into signing a contract, it was utterly dispicable.

As long as I live I will never buy a car from there.

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Next car I get will be from a very certain group.

Late 50's/ early 60's male. A car like a BMW 3 series estate. Now I know all men of this age are not the same - but many are.

Will have been driven carefully.

Got serviced at exactly the right time/place.

Have all paperwork in order.

Clean as a whistle.

Spanking order throughout.

I would buy a car from that group over a 'One female owner' any day. How often I see birds in cars simply driving onto kerbs without a thought amazes me.

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The fastest car in the world as far as I am concerned

Also, as you may be unfamiliar with a hire car, you should ensure the correct operation of as many safety systems as practicable. ABS, TCS, ESP, handbrake etc as well as gaining an understanding of how the rev-limiter works. I would advise against testing the airbags as they are a little tricky to put pack in the box after deployment.

Safety first ;)

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I used to work for both avis and Europe car as a delivery driver and believe me NEVER BUY AN EX-RENTAL CAR.

These cars are thrashed to within an inch of their lives during delivery. Burnout down side streets, bouncing off the limiter on duel carriageways, wheels spin off every light, handbrake turns, the lot.

Stay away.

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Along the same sort of lines.... the girlfriend was just browsing for a car the other day. Unfortunately she wanted to look at Arnold Clarks... as soon as we entered the court a shady salesman cam over and told us where each type of car was, what the things in the window meant etc - after us telling him we didn't want to be hassled and knew what we were doing. He then told us he'd catch up in 5 minutes.... !?!? He LITERALLY tailed us and after my girlfriend told him there was nothing she saw he kept going on and on about trying this car or the other, trying to secure a sale despite her saying she wasn't even sure she was going to buy! At the end he asked for details but she said no and he sort of harrumphed.

One year ago I went to Arnold Clarks for a car - long story short I ended up getting shouted at by the manager as I pulled out of a possible deal (something was very dodgy with the engine in a Toyota I tried) - I was taken aback and red-faced. The way I was treated was shocking - they tried to force me into signing a contract, it was utterly dispicable.

As long as I live I will never buy a car from there.

They don't call them Arnold Shark for nothing.

AVOID THESE THIEVING C*NTS LIKE THE PLAGUE

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I used to work for both avis and Europe car as a delivery driver and believe me NEVER BUY AN EX-RENTAL CAR.

These cars are thrashed to within an inch of their lives during delivery. Burnout down side streets, bouncing off the limiter on duel carriageways, wheels spin off every light, handbrake turns, the lot.

Stay away.

and that makes them different from most company cars, precisely how ? what harm is there in bouncing off a limiter, they don't set it higher than is safe...

often a good bedding is good for them - especially diesels.

handbrake turns are almost impossible to do these days - ESP and electrickery sees to that.... - I'd still rather have that than some used car that has never got warm and only had two oil changes in 4 years......

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absolute non-article preying on insecurities. Many of these cars have been run at full operating temp in top gear for a lot of the time (as well as revved to high heaven). I'd rather have one of those than a car that's been round town cold all the time.

You can also do that with complete dogs, budget £2K for a full service, tyres, suspension and fix all faults, professional valet, tax, MOT, insurance and still come in 5k less than the book price.

Until late last year when people started paying full price for anything with 4 wheels and under 5 years old.

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You can also do that with complete dogs, budget £2K for a full service, tyres, suspension and fix all faults, professional valet, tax, MOT, insurance and still come in 5k less than the book price.

Until late last year when people started paying full price for anything with 4 wheels and under 5 years old.

that's the problem at the moment - I am hankering after a 330d or 335d - they are currently stupid money. I took a look at a nice 335i - but no leather in it - very cheap, but I'd worry about being able to sell it at all later..... - and that sold in 2 days.

people are crackers - they have been buying all sorts of crap for stupid money - and all thinking they got a bargain....

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Well, they ARE one owner! :rolleyes:

As Rachman says, these tend to be well looked after and, in the main, driven by normal people like me and you.

Non story.

Declare your 'Vested Interest' then :P

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These cars are thrashed to within an inch of their lives during delivery. Burnout down side streets, bouncing off the limiter on duel carriageways, wheels spin off every light, handbrake turns, the lot.

Sounds like how I drive my own car

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and that makes them different from most company cars, precisely how ? what harm is there in bouncing off a limiter, they don't set it higher than is safe...

often a good bedding is good for them - especially diesels.

handbrake turns are almost impossible to do these days - ESP and electrickery sees to that.... - I'd still rather have that than some used car that has never got warm and only had two oil changes in 4 years......

1. I didnt make any comparison to company cars. I dont see your point.

2. Excessive bouncing off the limiter can cause crankshaft whip because of the vibration and altered unnatural torque delivery.

3. The bedding in process on modern engines is usually completed by manufacturers during manufacture and delivery before you take ownership of a vehicle. The use of synthetic oils makes bedding in an engine near impossible once you have it delivered. In any case bedding in should initially involve long high gear engine strain pulls. Simply thrashing an engine is a good way to break it when it is new. I run my engines for 2k miles on mineral oil like this before i take them over 70% of the rev limit. A new car will have been bounced off the limiter many times by the guys at the docks unloading them befoe you even take delivey. Running in a 'modern' car engine is a waste of time, unless you built the engine yourself and can select the protocol from the dry build.

5. You are wrong about handbrake turns, the handbrake is a cable system and as such is not connected to the electronics of the car. Simply physics will dictate that if you lock the rear wheels in second gear and pull the steering wheel sharply to the left, the rear of the car will come around.

6. I take it you buy ex-rental cars. I probably did some nice damage to some of the ones youve owned. Enjoy :lol:

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