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You've totally missed the point. You might think the BBC is the best thing since sliced bread, personally I think Sky shits on it from a great height in every way. The point is I shouldnt be forced to pay for your BBC channels while watching only Sky.

Lets have Sky TV license, say £200 a year since. And you have to pay for that even if you only ever watch BBC. How would you feel about that?

Lets make the BBC channels encrpyted and subscription only, and all these people who think the BBC is wonderful can subscribe, and those whose who arent interested wont. This is nothing but fair, and the reason they wont do that is because they know they will get a lot less money as a lot of people arent interested in their rubbish and only pay because they are forced to.

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The problem isnt BBC content. Its the absurd way its funded. The truth is that if they joined the 21st century and did something like pay per view the only things that would survive is stuff like eastenders and top gear . NWO shills like Andrew Marr & Alan Yentob wouldnt have the BBC gravy train anymore and would have to actually work for a living, instead of swanning off around europe to make those boring documentaries they make. Thats why the BBC will never operate in a competitive environment.

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I'm sorry, but these last two posts are missing the point, the BBC is a public service, you wouldn't be advocating opting out of paying for the NHS would you.

Its typical of free-market ideology, when all this means to capitalists like Murdoch is "Give it all to me"

Again, its far from perfect, but the world needs a counter to the kind of propaganda Murdoch and his ilk spew.

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bbc still have some good programmes (documentaries mainly).

the day you compare sky to the bbc is the day that the fascist feckin murdoch has won. you do realise he is a fecking cu** right???? and you are happy to support is ridiculous quest to be the sole provider of news and broadcasts in the entire world.

oh, and he's a tax dodger.

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I'm sorry, but these last two posts are missing the point, the BBC is a public service, you wouldn't be advocating opting out of paying for the NHS would you.

Its typical of free-market ideology, when all this means to capitalists like Murdoch is "Give it all to me"

Again, its far from perfect, but the world needs a counter to the kind of propaganda Murdoch and his ilk spew.

Thats nonsense. If there were no free to air channels then I might agree with you. However there are lots on freeview that are not paid for by the bbc.

You also dont understand the free market. The free market means someone provides a service that someone wants so they pay for it. If someone else provides a better service maybe someone will stop paying the first company and change. They are "free" to choose.

Say for instance NHS costs everyone £100 a month to be in their club. Maybe Bupa costs £150. (These are just random example figures.) Isnt it better for people to choose to join bupa and then pay £150. Instead they must pay the £100, and the £150 on top, despite having no intention of using the NHS.

I once used the NHS, for a root canal. I then had to have it redone by a proper dentist after it failed and the NHS dentist wanted to pull the tooth out leaving a big gap in my teeth. The private dentist was shocked by this, and redoing the root canal worked perfectly. So Yes, id opt out of the NHS given the choice.

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Say for instance NHS costs everyone £100 a month to be in their club. Maybe Bupa costs £150. (These are just random example figures.) Isnt it better for people to choose to join bupa and then pay £150. Instead they must pay the £100, and the £150 on top, despite having no intention of using the NHS.

IMO that analysis is too superficial. Remember Bupa simply pay whatever your medical practitioner charges, if the costs go up they pass the cost straight on to your (and my) payments. I have personally observed Bupa happily paying bills that I would queery on their behalf - too much administative hassle to bother.

And as for wasted admin consider the army of people whose sole function is to take a phone call to give you permission to visit the consultant your docter has already advised you to see.

People pay the extra on top because they are happy to accept adminstrative waste and lack of accountability that exceeds that of the public sector. Making that the only option would be a bonanza for the financial companies that provide health insurance. It would most emphatically be nothing resembling a free market.

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I'm sorry, but these last two posts are missing the point, the BBC is a public service, you wouldn't be advocating opting out of paying for the NHS would you.

Its typical of free-market ideology, when all this means to capitalists like Murdoch is "Give it all to me"

Again, its far from perfect, but the world needs a counter to the kind of propaganda Murdoch and his ilk spew.

BBC shoud stick to its public sector remit and stop competing with comeercial radio and commmercial TV.

We should pay £25 -£30 a year for a service that include news + services not available on commercial TV/ Radio + some reserved sporting occaisions.

No need to pay star wages. No need to bid for commercial TV shows.

No need to BBC to be at the cutting edge of technology - let the free market sort this out.

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I'm sorry, but these last two posts are missing the point, the BBC is a public service, you wouldn't be advocating opting out of paying for the NHS would you.

Its typical of free-market ideology, when all this means to capitalists like Murdoch is "Give it all to me"

Again, its far from perfect, but the world needs a counter to the kind of propaganda Murdoch and his ilk spew.

BBC shoud stick to its public sector remit and stop competing with comeercial radio and commmercial TV.

We should pay £25 -£30 a year for a service that include news + services not available on commercial TV/ Radio + some reserved sporting occaisions.

No need to pay star wages. No need to bid for commercial TV shows.

No need to BBC to be at the cutting edge of technology - let the free market sort this out.

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If you think that the BBC is a government mouthpiece try watching the "free market" media in the US, it is shocking !

I am quite happy for the BBC to continue to be publicly funded, but as any public sector organisation it is bloated and overstuffed with middle managers making jobs for themselves. There are over 300 people at the BBC earning over 100k who have nothing to do with programme making, I find that incredible.

I work in this sector and I think one of the problems is that the BBC has all the cosy security of the public sector with all the high wages and fripperies of the private (media) sector. There are many middle managers at the Beeb who would simply not survive in the private sector as the private sector has a far lower tolerance of bureauocracy and a proper appreciation of the bottom line.

As far as "talent" goes, I seem remember a time when it was seen as a privilege to work for the BBC and the personalities were to expect lower wages than ITV as a part of that.

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I highly doubt that. The BBC will be instrumental in the building of the NWO.

The license fee may be be abolished, and lead people to think it 'free', but it will almost certainly be paid for through income tax.

Remember, its a public service, a basic right even to watch repeats of eastenders and homes under the hammer.

Agree

The BBC is too valuable a propaganda/brainwashing tool for the Tories to diminish its power and as many of us know, the tories are really closet socialists, NuLabour Lite at best

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after taking some advice on this very forum (thanks for putting me right johnny storm) i cancelled my TV license and was refunded the last half of the year as i paid in full at the begining of the year, i swapped my downstairs tv with a 28" monitor and my bedroom tv with a laptop and now i pay no license and still watch all the programmes i used to, online....job sorted

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after taking some advice on this very forum (thanks for putting me right johnny storm) i cancelled my TV license and was refunded the last half of the year as i paid in full at the begining of the year, i swapped my downstairs tv with a 28" monitor and my bedroom tv with a laptop and now i pay no license and still watch all the programmes i used to, online....job sorted

Very public spirited of you, Murdoch will know who to thank when he's killed the BBC.

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If you think that the BBC is a government mouthpiece try watching the "free market" media in the US, it is shocking !

I am quite happy for the BBC to continue to be publicly funded, but as any public sector organisation it is bloated and overstuffed with middle managers making jobs for themselves. There are over 300 people at the BBC earning over 100k who have nothing to do with programme making, I find that incredible.

I work in this sector and I think one of the problems is that the BBC has all the cosy security of the public sector with all the high wages and fripperies of the private (media) sector. There are many middle managers at the Beeb who would simply not survive in the private sector as the private sector has a far lower tolerance of bureauocracy and a proper appreciation of the bottom line.

As far as "talent" goes, I seem remember a time when it was seen as a privilege to work for the BBC and the personalities were to expect lower wages than ITV as a part of that.

It's all part of the same game except that in the UK, we have a state owned broadcaster whereas in the US, the political pundits, Rush Limbaugh etc are all owned by media corporations who are in bed with the politcial status quo.

All those 'right wing' political hacks in the US media are really just corporate stooges playing mind games with dumb, uneducated middle America.

At the end of the day, there really isn't much difference is there?

The US media is a corporate monopoly. It certainly isn't a free market

But NPR is quite good. (National Public Radio). That is entirely funded by private donations and it is more genuinely non partisan than the BBC for example.

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after taking some advice on this very forum (thanks for putting me right johnny storm) i cancelled my TV license and was refunded the last half of the year as i paid in full at the begining of the year, i swapped my downstairs tv with a 28" monitor and my bedroom tv with a laptop and now i pay no license and still watch all the programmes i used to, online....job sorted

And when everyone does that we will have no BBC at all. I would rather have a slightly rubbish half independent publicly funded broadcaster than none at all.

When are you going to start tax avoidance, to get rid of the NHS ?

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yeah thats right because how could we survive without the good ole beeb......where would i get my fix of cheap reality based celebrity dance shows?

Online as you've already admitted you do.

And if you seriously think that this is all the BBC produce.... says it all.

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yeah thats right because how could we survive without the good ole beeb......where would i get my fix of cheap reality based celebrity dance shows?

It's your choice.... So I take it you won't be using BBC iplayer ?

TBH I think that the BBC represents pretty good value for money despite it's many failings.

BBC £142

Sky (basic) £180ish with sport and HD anything up to £500 or more.

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It's your choice.... So I take it you won't be using BBC iplayer ?

TBH I think that the BBC represents pretty good value for money despite it's many failings.

BBC £142

Sky (basic) £180ish with sport and HD anything up to £500 or more.

You hit the nail on the head - CHOICE.....if only the bbc gave you a choice - the choice i made was to remove TV's from my house so that i could have a CHOICE

when did sky start forcing people to pay for their service?..........last time i checked they gave you the CHOICE to do so if you so wished

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You hit the nail on the head - CHOICE.....if only the bbc gave you a choice - the choice i made was to remove TV's from my house so that i could have a CHOICE

when did sky start forcing people to pay for their service?..........last time i checked they gave you the CHOICE to do so if you so wished

Well done Marc, and glad you have saved some money. You do know you could keep your TVs though and just unplug them from the aerial dont you? This is what Ive done with mine.

If enough people do this hopefully it will be the end of the license fee if not the bbc. Fingers crossed.

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Well done Marc, and glad you have saved some money. You do know you could keep your TVs though and just unplug them from the aerial dont you? This is what Ive done with mine.

If enough people do this hopefully it will be the end of the license fee if not the bbc. Fingers crossed.

You two deserve each other, hope you'll have a long and fruitful relationship.

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You hit the nail on the head - CHOICE.....if only the bbc gave you a choice - the choice i made was to remove TV's from my house so that i could have a CHOICE

when did sky start forcing people to pay for their service?..........last time i checked they gave you the CHOICE to do so if you so wished

This is the point. The BBC could charge what they like and I couldn't give a sh!t as long as nobody had to pay it if they didn't want to.

The implicit paternalism of the arrangement is offensive too. We've got a self appointed, unelected elite selecting what programs they think are worthy that we've all got to pay for because they're commercially unviable.

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