moneyscam Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 I guess you didnt use Word back then. I actually meant to pay into your new account rather than the old one they were paying your salary into.I remember seeing a program a year or two back, where a woman was travelling around Europe aiming to get a fake passport in every European country. It was very very easy. Thats all one needs to open a bank account isnt it? The more I think about this, the more fun it sounds. Kinda like the Bourne identity, or the benefits identity in this case. Damn! I knew I should have stolen that headed paper before I left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barebear Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Great idea, just as funds start to run out head for the lawyers. Or do as you suggest and do nothing creative just waste your money not being able to claim benefits. Rolls eyes stupidly too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest X-QUORK Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Or do as you suggest and do nothing fraudulent Corrected for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Storm Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Damn! I knew I should have stolen that headed paper before I left! As the IT bod I designed the digital headed paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barebear Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Im a silly old fart Corrected for You Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Storm Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Corrected for You lol A+ Now back to topic. Who do you think is a good candidate for hidden savings account? Someone small maybe? Building societies not in the area that you live in maybe? Someone who does paperless statements via e-mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dispossessed Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Well mate thats not the full facts is it . It may very well be means tested after 6 months but they have the abiliity to go back right from the start of the claim and do on numerous occaisions. Makes no odds if it is contribution rather than income based which it will be for the first 6 months if DMS has worked for 6 months previous. As I have seen from your posts, you have rightly said that they will go back, they will investigate, which is why it is foolish to attempt to defraud the system. They are being extremely thorough at the moment in many respects. (For JS replace with DMS). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barebear Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 lol A+Now back to topic. Who do you think is a good candidate for hidden savings account? Someone small maybe? Building societies not in the area that you live in maybe? Someone who does paperless statements via e-mail. Johnny there aint no such thing as a hidden savings account. Not in this country anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest X-QUORK Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Corrected for You Very good. You guys crack on with your "creative" methods, I'm sure you'll be able to get creative when the sistas come knocking on your cell door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seydel Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 The W and P can get into anyone's UK bank accounts without their knowledge or consent, ditto councils re Housing Benefit, etc. They also have a database of sorts that automatically flags interest accrued on savings accounts (how they rumble a great many claimants) and, I'm guessing, Premium Bonds and the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barebear Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Makes no odds if it is contribution rather than income based which it will be for the first 6 months if DMS has worked for 6 months previous. As I have seen from your posts, you have rightly said that they will go back, they will investigate, which is why it is foolish to attempt to defraud the system. They are being extremely thorough at the moment in many respects.(For JS replace with DMS). And thats why the advice I've given is not fraudulent, creative maybe. There is a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Storm Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Johnny there aint no such thing as a hidden savings account. Not in this country anyway. What do you actually mean by that. If this was true, there would be no need to ask you what savings you had they would simply key your national insurance number in and say oh yes I see you have 82,504 in savings mr storm. There would also be no need to get warrants (remember specific to a specific bank.) I dont think the government is as joined up as you would think. They are incompetent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMartinSanchez Posted September 9, 2009 Author Share Posted September 9, 2009 Thanks everyone for the splendid debate. Good arguments on both sides on the morality / fairness of the story. Now I have another question: if I can prove that I owe someone £10000, can I pay back this person for this amount of money? or is it fraud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barebear Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 The W and P can get into anyone's UK bank accounts without their knowledge or consent, ditto councils re Housing Benefit, etc.They also have a database of sorts that automatically flags interest accrued on savings accounts (how they rumble a great many claimants) and, I'm guessing, Premium Bonds and the like. It would be interesting to find out what their rules on premium bonds are. I know you can hold 20k (is it ) personally. I wonder if you have to inform them of small winning etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barebear Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Thanks everyone for the splendid debate. Good arguments on both sides on the morality / fairness of the story.Now I have another question: if I can prove that I owe someone £10000, can I pay back this person for this amount of money? or is it fraud? Yeh you can , I did it with my mum and they accepted it. Get a receipt and make sure you can show money going out of your account and into theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest theboltonfury Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Surely anyone with a quarter of a brain can find a job in 6 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashpope Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 He's paid his NI contributions over the years and his taxes so why should he use his savings now when he's unemployed ? Because the insurance is to look after him if he has no other option - if he has savings, he uses them. It's what savings are FOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barebear Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 What do you actually mean by that. If this was true, there would be no need to ask you what savings you had they would simply key your national insurance number in and say oh yes I see you have 82,504 in savings mr storm. There would also be no need to get warrants (remember specific to a specific bank.)I dont think the government is as joined up as you would think. They are incompetent. They just ask you to declare to save them time and money and also once you've declared and you've been found out its absolute isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest theboltonfury Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Because the insurance is to look after him if he has no other option - if he has savings, he uses them. It's what savings are FOR. rubbish. So it's up to us to provide our own welfare and have the spaffers who can't be bothered to save to have their own fund. Savings are savings, maybe for a child's education or incase you needed a life saving op, or whatever. They are not primarily there to sustain life during periods of unemployment. That is what the DSS is for. You know, the thing we all forced to pay in to. I'll use my savings if I'm allowed to opt out of funding the country's benefit scrounging scumbags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barebear Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Surely anyone with a quarter of a brain can find a job in 6 months. Yeh right. So a specialist engineer, for example, gets laid off. Do you think he would find similar work easily in a recession. Or would you have in working in McD's ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seydel Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Is this legal? Yes, absolutely legal. To go off topic a bit, it's also been legal for almost two years for anyone and his dog, so to speak, to examine our phone records, also without our knowledge or consent. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-ne...91466-20019020/ Storm over new 'snooping law' Oct 28 2007 by Matt Withers, Wales On Sunday A WELSH MP has blasted controversial new powers which allow public bodies to scrutinise anybody’s mobile phone records. The powers permit nearly 800 UK organisations, from the police down to the smallest councils and most obscure quangos, to see phone records of anyone without having to ask their permission. Signed off by the Home Secretary, they have been passed virtually unnoticed and were not debated in Parliament. Last night Elfyn Llwyd, Plaid Cymru’s leader at Westminster, predicted: “You can rest assured, this is going to be abused.†He claimed there was nothing to stop a council chief executive, for example, using the powers to see if his wife was having an affair. “It’s far too wide and broad,†he said. “We should have far more regulation of it. Potentially, this is going to be a problem in the coming months and years. “We need a proper look at this to see what regulations can be brought in to make sure it isn’t abused... because, rest assured, it will be.†The new regulations came into force earlier this month after a personal decree by Home Secretary Jacqui Smith giving 795 public bodies across the UK the right to access anybody’s telephone records. The Home Office insists the powers are needed to tackle terrorism, but civil rights groups questioned why, in that case, the Welsh Ambulance Service would need such powers. The signing of the “statutory instrument†went virtually unnoticed by most MPs as it took place in July during Parliament’s summer recess. It means data of calls and text messages may be obtained by any agency, stretching from the Welsh Ambulance Service, the Food Standards Agency Wales and Environment Agency Wales down to Torfaen Council. The intelligence services and all four of Wales’ police forces also have access to the records. Previously such agencies would have had to have permission from a judge. Now – for example – any council worker only needs the say-so of its deputy leader to see anybody’s phone records. Police officers need to get the go-ahead from a superintendent. Under the rules, landline and mobile companies must log and store all information about calls made in the UK for a year. Since 2004 they have voluntarily provided the data when asked for. Mr Llwyd added: “I don’t argue against the use in the fight against terror or indeed in the fight against serious crime. “But I’m very, very concerned about the broad sweep of it all. Frankly, it doesn’t make a great deal of sense that it’s so free and easy. “Why councils? Why the Ambulance Service? Why have they got free access? It’s beyond me, quite honestly. It’s convenient it’s been slipped in during the summer months.†And Phil Booth, national co-ordinator of anti-ID card pressure group No2ID, said: “When this idea was first discussed by (former Home Secretary) Charles Clarke, it was about national security and serious crime – what good is it to a local authority? “I find it hard to understand how local councils fall under the national security justification.†His group did not oppose the police having access to the information, but questioned why, say, “an Anglesey Council worker should be entitled to look at anybody’s mobile records.†His views were echoed by Shami Chakrabarti, director of civil rights group Liberty. “There are actually a very broad range of purposes for which this information about who we’ve been phoning and when can be revealed,†she said. “It includes, for example, the Gaming Board, the Food Standards Authority and every district and county council in the country.†Requests for information would not be limited to those concerning serious crime and national security despite Home Office claims, she said. “We’re talking about a profile that can be built of your personal relationships on the basis of who you’ve been speaking to and when.†The Home Office insisted the new powers were vital in tackling terrorism and said they were consistent with the European Convention on Human Rights and UK Human Rights Act. “We are not intruding into people’s private lives,†a spokesman said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest theboltonfury Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Yeh right.So a specialist engineer, for example, gets laid off. Do you think he would find similar work easily in a recession. Or would you have in working in McD's ? He could find a job that is more than £60 a week. There's no place for pride in a stinking recession. Who says it has to be similar work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Storm Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 They just ask you to declare to save them time and money and also once you've declared and you've been found out its absolute isn't it. Sorry but I think you are talking rubbish. For this to work there would have to be a national database linking every single bank and building society account bank to say a national insurance number. It doesnt exist. Explain to me how it would work if I opened a bank account in Spain say? Or is this an EU wide database? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barebear Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 He could find a job that is more than £60 a week. There's no place for pride in a stinking recession.Who says it has to be similar work? But it aint just 60 quid a week is it ? Theres rent and council tax that they pay as well. You are so silly sometimes Timmy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Storm Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Lets look at this new story here:- http://www.messengernewspapers.co.uk/news/...50_000_savings/ Benefit fraud woman failed to declare she had £50,000 saving She pleaded guilty to failing to declare that she had savings of nearly £50,000 and as a result had been overpaid benefit between January 2001 and November 2008. So she was doing this for 7 years. This bit is interesting Council counter fraud officers were alerted to the matter by a data matching exercise that highlighted the account in which the savings were held. I wonder what this actually means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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