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So this man has lost his job and had his name dragged through the newspapers and there's been no trial yet? Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Judging from the story, there are not even any charges against him.

Said it before and I'll say it again.

Anyone (absolutely anyone - no exceptions) accused of a crime should be anonymous (and the media banned from saying anything at all that could be used to identify them) unless they're found guilty in court.

How many people have been ruined by a front page witch-hunt only to be found not guilty only to have the 2 colum inch apology printed on page 15 underneath the weather?

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Said it before and I'll say it again.

Anyone (absolutely anyone - no exceptions) accused of a crime should be anonymous (and the media banned from saying anything at all that could be used to identify them) unless they're found guilty in court.

How many people have been ruined by a front page witch-hunt only to be found not guilty only to have the 2 colum inch apology printed on page 15 underneath the weather?

Although I agree with the above it's usually pretty clear cut once the computer has been analysed.I have a friend who does this work for the police.The only thing he said to me was that he doesn't know who he likes ;least the police or the paedos.

This may be an unfashionable view but I think the many cases where teachers have committed suicide after being caught doing this shows that there is an over reaction.As bad as what they have done is it doesn't warrant a sentence that even the July 7 bombers would not have received had they lived and been convicted.Unfortunately the proximity to kids does appear to have attracted a lot of men into teaching.In a lot of cases they don't actually do anything,it's just as if the rest of us had the oportunity of a job working with attractive young women.In many cases paedos do have morals too.

When I was at primary school nearly fifty years ago the head regularly used to have little girls sitting in his lap,at the time it didn't seem odd,but now I guess he was one...oh.and a magistrate btw.

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Although I agree with the above it's usually pretty clear cut once the computer has been analysed.I have a friend who does this work for the police.The only thing he said to me was that he doesn't know who he likes ;least the police or the paedos.

This may be an unfashionable view but I think the many cases where teachers have committed suicide after being caught doing this shows that there is an over reaction.As bad as what they have done is it doesn't warrant a sentence that even the July 7 bombers would not have received had they lived and been convicted.Unfortunately the proximity to kids does appear to have attracted a lot of men into teaching.In a lot of cases they don't actually do anything,it's just as if the rest of us had the oportunity of a job working with attractive young women.In many cases paedos do have morals too.

When I was at primary school nearly fifty years ago the head regularly used to have little girls sitting in his lap,at the time it didn't seem odd,but now I guess he was one...oh.and a magistrate btw.

So in cases of clear cut evidence, we can do away with trials, due process etc.?

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So in cases of clear cut evidence, we can do away with trials, due process etc.?

Although that is not exactly what I am saying there are many cases where things are 100% clear cut but the scumbags still run with it in the hope that a clever lawyer can find a loophole.Nobody wants to see innocent people convicted because,as much as anything,it means the guilty go free.The lawyers will obviously argue the golden thread because it keeps them living in luxury at our expense.In cases like the Glasgow airport attacks I would have been perfectly happy for them to have met an accident jumping from a speeding cop car.

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Although that is not exactly what I am saying there are many cases where things are 100% clear cut but the scumbags still run with it in the hope that a clever lawyer can find a loophole.Nobody wants to see innocent people convicted because,as much as anything,it means the guilty go free.The lawyers will obviously argue the golden thread because it keeps them living in luxury at our expense.In cases like the Glasgow airport attacks I would have been perfectly happy for them to have met an accident jumping from a speeding cop car.

This is a dangerous line of thought. To a prosecuting lawyer, everything is clearcut. That's why we have had so many miscarriages of justice.

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This is a dangerous line of thought. To a prosecuting lawyer, everything is clearcut. That's why we have had so many miscarriages of justice.

+1

Just remember, it could be you.

Have you ever lent your computer to anyone, even for 10 minutes? Do you know for sure what they did with it? Did they have administrator rights with the profile they used?

Still fancy suspects being thrown from speeding police cars?

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Strange, he should be in line for a promotion.

http://www.tpuc.org/node/151

This is the darkest side of the NWO guys, they wish to legalise ALL forms of perversion. Not just debt slavery and exploitation, but sexual slavery and exploitation too. Just look at how much sex & child sex worker trafficing and cross border paedo rings have increased since the EU has instigated truly open borders. This is not an unexpected result, this is an intended result. Im sure youve all heard of the UN (EUs global NWO bedfellow) sex for food scandals.

The EU is filled with perverts, and they will stop at NOTHING to spread their sick, deviant methods of subversion and control, regardless of how young or innocent their victims are. The EU IS the 4TH REICH.

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Strange, he should be in line for a promotion.

http://www.tpuc.org/node/151

This is the darkest side of the NWO guys, they wish to legalise ALL forms of perversion. Not just debt slavery and exploitation, but sexual slavery and exploitation too. Just look at how much sex & child sex worker trafficing and cross border paedo rings have increased since the EU has instigated truly open borders. This is not an unexpected result, this is an intended result. Im sure youve all heard of the UN (EUs global NWO bedfellow) sex for food scandals.

The EU is filled with perverts, and they will stop at NOTHING to spread their sick, deviant methods of subversion and control, regardless of how young or innocent their victims are. The EU IS the 4TH REICH.

Somebody is off his meds.

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The EU has all the force of the global elite behind it, so, unfortunately, i have no doubt time will tell if my suspicions are correct. All i know is when the west falls, the global elite will instigate some ventures that we would today see as vile to maintain their wealth against the rising east. If that means unspeakable forms of exploitation, they will not hesitate to change laws and promote such agendas in institutions like the EU.

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Any chance of expanding on that please.

Quite simply he is an extreme libertarian and he hates the police.I suspect that a lot of policemen have a bad attitude because it goes with the job and what they encounter reinforces their prejudices.I just think that with too much concern for the criminals we will end up making their job very,very easy.we seem to have move beond "reasonable doubt" in a lot of cases.I would argue lending your PC to someone falls into this category.Any reasonable and intelligent person would get them to sign in and out,just as you are expected to keep a record of anyone borrowing your car so they can pay the speed tax.

The argument of unsafe convictions is a spurious one.It happens rarely and even then it is usually the case that they have done something else anyway.I would argue that about 95% of the population rarely,if ever,commits an offence.We have a couple of million scumbags who are responsible for 99 % of the crime.

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Quite simply he is an extreme libertarian and he hates the police.I suspect that a lot of policemen have a bad attitude because it goes with the job and what they encounter reinforces their prejudices.I just think that with too much concern for the criminals we will end up making their job very,very easy.we seem to have move beond "reasonable doubt" in a lot of cases.I would argue lending your PC to someone falls into this category.Any reasonable and intelligent person would get them to sign in and out,just as you are expected to keep a record of anyone borrowing your car so they can pay the speed tax.

The argument of unsafe convictions is a spurious one.It happens rarely and even then it is usually the case that they have done something else anyway.I would argue that about 95% of the population rarely,if ever,commits an offence.We have a couple of million scumbags who are responsible for 99 % of the crime.

Within a 20 mile radius of my house I can think of three murders which involved the subsequent release of seven people who had been wrongly convicted. these relate to the Lynette White murder in Cardiff, the death of a newsagent in Cardiff and the shooting to death of Megan and Harry Tooze at Llanharan.

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Within a 20 mile radius of my house I can think of three murders which involved the subsequent release of seven people who had been wrongly convicted. these relate to the Lynette White murder in Cardiff, the death of a newsagent in Cardiff and the shooting to death of Megan and Harry Tooze at Llanharan.

The airline bombers very nearly got away with it despite being clearly guilty (they actually admitted it but claimed it was a publicity stunt) If they could have got another muslim on the jury they would have walked.

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The airline bombers very nearly got away with it despite being clearly guilty (they actually admitted it but claimed it was a publicity stunt) If they could have got another muslim on the jury they would have walked.

So much for everything being clearcut then.

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So much for everything being clearcut then.

And your point is? The fact that the justice system is ludicrously biased in favour of these morons makes it expensive and difficult to convict them.No doubt the bleeding hearts will soon be trying to get them out.

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And your point is? The fact that the justice system is ludicrously biased in favour of these morons makes it expensive and difficult to convict them.No doubt the bleeding hearts will soon be trying to get them out.

If it was as biased in favour of defendants as you say, how come so many innocent people get convicted?

People like you said as much about the Birmingham Six (pub bombers) who were later found to have been wrongly convicted.

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Bottom line surely is, doesn't matter how daming the evidence is its still got to go through due process otherwise we run the danger of going back to lynch mobs.

The other thing I'm sceptical of is the weight of evidence. If Glitter can be believed ( and Im not saying he can or defending him in anyway ) they didn't find thousands of images as they said.

So is there a tendencey after they've found evidence to add on to it and embelish it to make it look worse.

One final thing,in operation whatever where they traced people using credit cards how come they didnt follow the money and shut the site down quicker ?

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If it was as biased in favour of defendants as you say, how come so many innocent people get convicted?

People like you said as much about the Birmingham Six (pub bombers) who were later found to have been wrongly convicted.

I never believed that the 6 were guilty,the evidence was non existent.In this case they were caught red handed with the materials and videos of themselves.So what is your case? - the security services forced them to make the videos? Their ONLY defence was to claim that it was a publicity stunt.The only person likely to believe that would be anoher Islamic fellow traveller.It would be interesting to know the jurors who failed to convict them the first time around.In Northern Ireland the republicans had no juries.This is what we need for these people and if they don't like it there is always the Swat Valley to live in,let them go there rather than disrupt everyone elses lives.

And before you cry racist I have no problem with ANY ethnic group,race,religion as long as they get on with their lives and let everyone else do the same.I refuse however to tolerate intolerance.

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I never believed that the 6 were guilty,the evidence was non existent.In this case they were caught red handed with the materials and videos of themselves.So what is your case? - the security services forced them to make the videos? Their ONLY defence was to claim that it was a publicity stunt.The only person likely to believe that would be anoher Islamic fellow traveller.It would be interesting to know the jurors who failed to convict them the first time around.In Northern Ireland the republicans had no juries.This is what we need for these people and if they don't like it there is always the Swat Valley to live in,let them go there rather than disrupt everyone eles lives.

And before you cry racist I have no problem with ANY ethnic group,race,religion as long as they get on with their lives andlet everyone else do the same.I refuse however to tolerate intolerance.

You cannot possibly know why they pleaded as they did. You would have to be privy to all that they and their lawyers discussed and thought about.

The more you rant, the more I am reminded of the miscarriages of justice of the Irish, Sally Clarke etc. Nobody at the time believed they were anything other than guilty.

Don't tell me you thought otherwise.

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Although I agree with the above it's usually pretty clear cut once the computer has been analysed.I have a friend who does this work for the police.The only thing he said to me was that he doesn't know who he likes ;least the police or the paedos.

Clear cut really?

You mean like operation Ore?

Do the police really do a forensic examination as to why there is porn on the PC? Has the PC been infected with a virus which has downloaded the image? Did someone view an adult site which then had child porn linked in by ads leaving child porn thumbnails on the PC?

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Bottom line surely is, doesn't matter how daming the evidence is its still got to go through due process otherwise we run the danger of going back to lynch mobs.

The other thing I'm sceptical of is the weight of evidence. If Glitter can be believed ( and Im not saying he can or defending him in anyway ) they didn't find thousands of images as they said.

So is there a tendencey after they've found evidence to add on to it and embelish it to make it look worse.

One final thing,in operation whatever where they traced people using credit cards how come they didnt follow the money and shut the site down quicker ?

I remeber noseying around in my pc, cant remeber where or what it might be tempory internett cache or cookies or something, anyway there is a list of all the pictures my computer had witnessed if you like.

For instance if you click on a thumbnailed porn site everyone of the thumbs ends up on your pc even if you only clicked on one milf fisting.

So Glitter could have clicked on say 10/20/100 pictures of kids and opened them to w@nkable size,but there could actually be 100's of others on his pc but relatively useless size wise

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So this man has lost his job and had his name dragged through the newspapers and there's been no trial yet? Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Judging from the story, there are not even any charges against him.

Look mate we are all pedofiles once we go against the system and if you don't have the right porn on your machine then big bro can always pop some on your hard drives whilst he reading every thing you or anyone else type.

it's a modern day witch hunt and allows the real sick ones to get away with it.

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You cannot possibly know why they pleaded as they did. You would have to be privy to all that they and their lawyers discussed and thought about.

The more you rant, the more I am reminded of the miscarriages of justice of the Irish, Sally Clarke etc. Nobody at the time believed they were anything other than guilty.

Don't tell me you thought otherwise.

I had sympathy with the Irish Nationalist position,if not their methods.Anyone furthering the Islamist cause however gets no sympathy from me.These people belong in the dark ages with their attitudes and given the chance they would take us back with them.No wonder the BNP is appealing to some people despite being in some ways of the same mindset.

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I had sympathy with the Irish Nationalist position,if not their methods.Anyone furthering the Islamist cause however gets no sympathy from me.These people belong in the dark ages with their attitudes and given the chance they would take us back with them.No wonder the BNP is appealing to some people despite being in some ways of the same mindset.

The muslims in this country are very lucky. If we were to go to their countries and foister christianity on them I'm sure we would be dealing with more than just a minority group.

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