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The sacred cows to be slaughtered!

Let’s face it, Labour have spent & borrowed us into bankruptcy, I don’t think anyone here would disagree?

Ok, so Mega Tax is the normal answer, but that will simply drive out the best business and brains from the land. No, its time to face facts like we did @ the end of the 70’s. I am old enough to remember the last Spit head review in 1977……..where the Navy lined up all their ships to be inspected by the Queen.

With months a good number were scrapped off, a much smaller & leaner Navy took its place. This happened right across Britain, massive job loess and closes of bases/Docks as we faced our fall from grace.

We were saved in the 80/90’s buy North Sea oil & in 2000 on with rip off banking……..both are now tailing off…..its over.

So I like to ask you, what “Sacred cows†need to slaughtered?

Mike

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EU Circa £15 billion (maybe £7.5billion net if you want to keep all the EU crap in the budget)

Arts council and Sport England £1billion

Foreign aid budget (£5 billion?) No idea how much of this actually benefits us coming back via arms contracts tho.

End the basic state pension or treat houses in the same way as savings for the retired (save maybe £100 billion and solve housing problems in one go). Once people have run down savings stick them in nursing homes.

Seems pretty simple to me. Im sure there dozens of things like the arts council that all add up to tens of billions.

To help people out id also scrap the license fee, the DVLA and VAT. Id also get rid of stamp duty on homes except second homes :ph34r:

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So I like to ask you, what “Sacred cows†need to slaughtered?

Really Mike! - Can you think of any sacred female members of NuLabour??

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Sacred cows to be slaughtered:

UK's 'Independent' nuclear deterrent will go.

Permanent seat on UNSC will likely be surrendered with it.

The UK will not be able to afford to be a keen participant in US's small wars in faraway places concerning people of whom we know nothing.

Smaller foreign embassies and consulates, antarctic research stations, participation in European space programme, etc etc.

Cash cows to be milked:

Privatisation of motorway and trunk road network and their conversion into turnpikes.

Big increases in tax on cigarettes, booze and other goods with inelasticity of demand such as petrol and children's shoes.

What is to be done?

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Pitch update

Campaign, 24 July 2009, 00:00am

New-business directors seem to talk every year about the summer lull, and this year is no exception, with a real lack of major creative pitches to get everyone talking. So thank God then for COI, now the UK's biggest advertiser, which is handing out briefs on what seems to be a daily basis.

In DM, it appears that the Department of Health pitch to promote its Healthy Start scheme has hit a few problems. Apparently, the organisation is still unclear as to what it wants the prospective campaign to entail, and has decided to delay the pitch until it makes its mind up.

http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/news/archive...0/Pitch-update/

Monday 20 July 2009 13.53 BST

The UK government boosted its advertising and marketing spend by a massive 43%, to £540m, year on year in the 12 months to the end of March.

Figures published today by the Central Office of Information, which co-ordinates government advertising, marketing and communications spending, showed that spend on traditional advertising – such as TV, press and radio – grew by 35% year on year to £211m. Government spending on digital marketing rose 84% to £40m.

COI claimed that the large increases were due to the growing need for government to effectively communicate important information to the public.

campaignlive.co.uk, 03 September 2009, 07:00am

COI calls £4m bank bailout ad review

LONDON - The Financial Services Compensation Scheme, the government programme to compensate savers who lost money with a collapsed bank, is holding a pitch for its £4 million communications planning and creative accounts.

Agencies have been invited to pitch for the planning business through COI. An ad pitch is expected to follow the assignment of comms planning arrangements.

The brief centres on an awareness campaign to raise the fund’s profile without damaging consumer confidence in the UK banking system. The FSCS has never advertised its services before.

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The FSCS paid out a record £21 billion in compensation in the six months from the end of September last year.

http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/thework/news...-possible-DLKW/

http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/news/885681/...-Golley-Slater/

Celebrities get talking in new social work campaign

by Hadassah Nymark, campaignlive.co.uk, 01 September 2009, 10:10am

LONDON - Goldie, Gavin and Stacy's Joanna Page, Sadie Frost and ex-EastEnders actress Michelle Ryan star in a new government-backed campaign to tackle the social work sector identity crisis.

http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/news/archive...-work-campaign/

Government hires Mediareach for campaign targeting ethnic workers

by Ian Darby, campaignlive.co.uk, 27 August 2009, 10:30am

LONDON - The Department for Business, Innovation and Skills has appointed specialist agency Mediareach to develop a campaign to raise awareness of employment rights among ethnic minorities.

Following a three-way pitch through the COI, Mediareach will create a three-year campaign targeting Polish, Lithuanian, Slovak, Bulgarian, Romanian, Latvian, and Bangladeshi people working legally in the UK.

The communications plan, developed by Mediareach, includes press ads, outdoor, online and a PR programme.

Patricia Macauley, the COI head of cultural diversity, said: "Employment advice must be communicated effectively to everyone with the legal right to work in the UK."

The Week: Advertising news - Govt proposes food code

Campaign, 21 August 2009, 00:00am

The Government is plotting a set of voluntary guidelines for food manufacturers, aimed at restricting the promotion of unhealthy food to children.

The Department of Health has issued a tender seeking external partners to develop the details of the proposals, which are expected to include addressing the placing of less nutritious food at children's eye levels in shops. It is also expected to require greater transparency of company policies and consistency across different media.

The Week: Advertising news - Radio 1 spots get go-ahead

Campaign, 21 August 2009, 00:00am

The BBC has decided to roll out an ad campaign for Radio 1 that was initially put on hold over fears that it looked too expensive.

Concerned it would cause a backlash from taxpayers, the trail, created by Fallon, was shelved by the BBC director-general, Mark Thompson, in April. Rather than airing the original 60-second version featuring Radio 1 DJs including Zane Lowe, Jo Whiley, Chris Moyles and Fearne Cotton, the ad has been cut into 20-second spots.

http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/news/archive...spots-go-ahead/

BBC World Service picks JWT London for awareness task

Campaign, 06 August 2009, 06:00am

LONDON - The BBC World Service Trust, the BBC's international development charity that aims to reduce poverty and promote human rights, has appointed JWT London to create an ad campaign to raise awareness of its work.

The Week: Media news - Govt writes Twitter guide

Campaign, 31 July 2009, 00:00am

The Government has penned a guide for Twitter detailing a cross-department strategy for the micro-blogging service. The 20-page document, produced by the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills and written by the head of corporate digital channels, Neil Williams, advises government departments to be "human and credible" in their Tweets.

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I can see capital gains tax coming in on all properties. After the next election I believe the problems with rapid unsustainable house price inflation will be recognised by a lot more people, or in the governments case acknowledged. I think they'll start taxing capital gains on primary residences.

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They will not do it but they need to scrap all benefits that parents get for having more than 1 child.

The world is full we have at least 7 million surplus people in the country and I am not a MMGW nutter.

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The sacred cows to be slaughtered!

Let’s face it, Labour have spent & borrowed us into bankruptcy, I don’t think anyone here would disagree?

Ok, so Mega Tax is the normal answer, but that will simply drive out the best business and brains from the land. No, its time to face facts like we did @ the end of the 70’s. I am old enough to remember the last Spit head review in 1977……..where the Navy lined up all their ships to be inspected by the Queen.

With months a good number were scrapped off, a much smaller & leaner Navy took its place. This happened right across Britain, massive job loess and closes of bases/Docks as we faced our fall from grace.

We were saved in the 80/90’s buy North Sea oil & in 2000 on with rip off banking……..both are now tailing off…..its over.

So I like to ask you, what “Sacred cows†need to slaughtered?

Mike

I think many would disagree with your first statement.

I attended the Spithead review - large numbers of those ships were foreign and commonwealth - the navy had been in contraction for decades before.

The dockyard closures took place under John Nott (Margaret Thathcher's hatchet-man). You'll recall he stomped out of an interview with Robin Day because Day called him a "here today gone tomorrow politician" - usual BBC bias from Auntie Pravda - remarkably accurate as you seem to have forgotten the salient facts.

The massive job losses and closures of businesses were a direct result of the failed monetarist experiment under Howe (one of Thatcher's first U-turns). You'll also recall when Callaghan left office the rate of unemployment was less than one million and falling - within 18 months of Thatcher's election it had reached 3.5 million - at this point the distortion of the statistics. Satchi's Labour isn't Working forgot to mention it would quadruple.

There's a strong case to be made that the Falklands war was caused by Thatcher's defence review - certainly when the Argentines tried it on under Labour, David Owen (the then Defence Minister) sent ships down there to see them off. Thatcher did the opposite - she was selling them arms at Whale Island in 1980 and as late as 1981 training them how to kill British servicemen with the ships they'd bought.

The benefits of North Sea oil were squandered in two ways - one by the privatisation of the British oil companies on the cheap and buy using the money to prop-up the disastrous Friedman-inspired monetarist lunacy.

Sacred cows - the first we should slaughter is any notion that Conservative governments have any economic ability - save for Ken Clarke I cannot think of one since Barber's time who has had any positive effect.

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There's lots of painless things we could do.

Leave the EU.

Stop all foreign aid.

Means test child benefit.

Charge non Brits for access to NHS

Dear ******ing Lord, give me strength.

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£6 million a year TV presenters

Expensive Radio DJs with the IQ of Krill

Nicky Campbell

£90k a year news 24 presenters reporting the latest breaking news every hour of the day to their total audience of two viewers.

Alan Yentob

Tedious expensive period dramas that are all the same (how many adaptations of Jane Austin do you need ffs)

Graham Norton...

If you haven't already guessed, the first bovine on the chopping block imo should be the BBC!

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Which bits of that don't you like?

Not saying I don't like it, just that it's a bit knee-jerk and not thought out. It's the sort of thing the someone would come out with after a few pints of Stella rather than a thought out policy.

Leave the EU - sure, try to save money and reduce bureaucracy, but to leave the EU would be incredibly counter-productive to UK industry. I work in a multi-national environment and I can't see how we ever exported anything without the market harmonisation we currently have. Nations need trade.

Stop all foreign aid - Sure this could be done, but at the same time in order to be fair, we shouldn't exploit 3rd world nations by sending them our toxic waste, poach their healthcare workers, take advantage of their sweatshops etc. Also, much of the aid is tied aid, where the recipient must buy UK goods with the UK money, eg They're given 20m, but must spend it on UK tractors, thus indirectly subsidising our tractor industry.

Means test child benefit. Maybe, but what level would you stop/reduce it? How much do you think you would save? If you propose an idea, it should be costed, and the benefits highlighted. Would you aim to exclude 10% of families, or 90%? Would it be a sliding scale or a simple cut off. If a simple cut off, then those on the border line would have a reduced incentive to work, if a sliding scale, then that's what tax credits currently are.

Charge non Brits for access to NHS. Unworkable. Firstly we have reciprocal agreements with other nations. How would you deal with that? What about the millions of non British people who pay tax, but would not be eligible for healthcare. Would you give them tax breaks as the aren't eligible for the service they are paying for? What about the thousands of doctors and nurses who under these rules would not be able to get medical treatment in their own hospitals? How would you enforce mandatory health insurance for every visitor to the UK? How would you pay for it? Because there's no way on earth hospital staff would refuse to treat someone because they can't produce the correct paperwork.

Sorry to be negative, but the devil really is in the detail.

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Sorry to be negative, but the devil really is in the detail.

Couldn't agree more.

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£6 million a year TV presenters

Expensive Radio DJs with the IQ of Krill

Nicky Campbell

£90k a year news 24 presenters reporting the latest breaking news every hour of the day to their total audience of two viewers.

Alan Yentob

Tedious expensive period dramas that are all the same (how many adaptations of Jane Austin do you need ffs)

Graham Norton...

If you haven't already guessed, the first bovine on the chopping block imo should be the BBC!

+ 1 on the BBC why can we not have either Community not for profit media or fully commercial media we dont need something which is neither

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Ditch the neo-liberal sops being used to plaster over the failures of capitalism.

- Working tax credits. If you have a job you should provide for yourself at the agreed rate of pay.

- National Childcare Strategy. Your children, your problem.

These things are really in effect subsidies for business.

Let individuals and the markets decide.

20 billion a year saved right there.

William Burroughs said we need a "Naked Lunch", by which he meant we need to see clearly what is on the end of our forks without dressing. I agree.

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I think many would disagree with your first statement.

I attended the Spithead review - large numbers of those ships were foreign and commonwealth - the navy had been in contraction for decades before.

The dockyard closures took place under John Nott (Margaret Thathcher's hatchet-man). You'll recall he stomped out of an interview with Robin Day because Day called him a "here today gone tomorrow politician" - usual BBC bias from Auntie Pravda - remarkably accurate as you seem to have forgotten the salient facts.

The massive job losses and closures of businesses were a direct result of the failed monetarist experiment under Howe (one of Thatcher's first U-turns). You'll also recall when Callaghan left office the rate of unemployment was less than one million and falling - within 18 months of Thatcher's election it had reached 3.5 million - at this point the distortion of the statistics. Satchi's Labour isn't Working forgot to mention it would quadruple.

There's a strong case to be made that the Falklands war was caused by Thatcher's defence review - certainly when the Argentines tried it on under Labour, David Owen (the then Defence Minister) sent ships down there to see them off. Thatcher did the opposite - she was selling them arms at Whale Island in 1980 and as late as 1981 training them how to kill British servicemen with the ships they'd bought.

The benefits of North Sea oil were squandered in two ways - one by the privatisation of the British oil companies on the cheap and buy using the money to prop-up the disastrous Friedman-inspired monetarist lunacy.

Sacred cows - the first we should slaughter is any notion that Conservative governments have any economic ability - save for Ken Clarke I cannot think of one since Barber's time who has had any positive effect.

>> Comrade Happy?, please report to Room 101 of the Ministry of Love for correction of your false memories. <<

Yes, good stuff. It really is quite remarkable how badly remembered Thatcher's time in office was. Her first term in office has almost completely disappeared from popular memory. I guess Orwell had a point about that sort of thing. Its fortunate we have other records because if there was some sort of 'memory hole' in operation you could say all that and even people who were there at the time wouldn't believe you now.

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All the stupid quangos. They cost an absolute fortune and the amounts that they pay people on the regional development agencies is obscene.

Take an axe to the NHS. This is a huge gravy train for managers, consultants and doctors.

Leave the EU.

BBC slimmed down just to its public service remit.

The Audit Commission. They have warped the public sector into a box-ticking sham with their stupid inspections regieme. That Haringey Council was 3 star (the top rating) at the time of the Baby P case is just the tip of the iceberg.

The Arts Council.

The Scottish, Welsh, and Ulster assemblies / parliaments.

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Leave the EU.

The Scottish, Welsh, and Ulster assemblies / parliaments.

These are the same thing.

A lot of Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish are celebrating their 'independence' and their own 'parliament' but they don't realise they're just EU regional assemblies so they have no independence at all.

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The sacred cow I'd slaughter is human-induced climate change. I don't dismiss the possibility that this has occurred, but I haven't seen any evidence that it's an indisputable fact yet. The warming is indisputable, the cause is open to question. I'm not coming at this from an anti-environmentalist viewpoint, we still need to pursue the policies inspired by the climate change theory because we need to be paving the way for a future when oil and gas supplies are beginning to dwindle. Yes - adding more CO2 to the atmosphere would tend to increase the greenhouse effect. Yes, between 1975 and 2000 there was avery cllose correlation between the rise in annual avarage air temperature and the increase man-made CO2 emissions. But I don't think the cause and effect are proven because natural temperature variation can't be isolated from the statistics.

I wonder why the environmental lobbies have bigged up the climate change argument so much while leaving the very real 'depletion of finite reources' one on the back burner. Then it came to me - if they raise the profile of the finite resources story, it will play into the hands of their enemies the oil companies, since they will be able to raise prices and profits.

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I'm going to slaughter some of HPC's favourite sacred cows too now.

The EU is not finished, it is just going through a period of unpopularity at the moment and sentiment will swing back towards it.

The future of renewable energy is bright - particularly offshore windpower in the case of Britain. The future of nuclear here is probably limited to replacing the existing nuclear capacity as the old stations become time-expired.

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They will not do it but they need to scrap all benefits that parents get for having more than 1 child.

The world is full we have at least 7 million surplus people in the country and I am not a MMGW nutter.

I have 2 kids but I totally agree with this.

On a similar theme I'd add:

1. No benefits at all for anyone under 24 who has less than 2 years NI contributions.

2. No benefits for single mums unless they agree to semi permanent contraception (eg coil/implants etc) and back to work part time when kid is 1 year old, full time when kid starts reception (aged 4/5).

3. Benefits for those with kids capped for one child so no big council house for those with 10 kids.

4. For those that do get benefits (including housing, council tax) total amount possible to receive should be equal or less than post tax pay for someone on minimum wage pay

5. No benefits for anyone who is not bettering themselves in some way eg volunteer work, courses etc.

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