General Melchett Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Banksy is a ****.Well done Hackney Council for taking a strong line against graffiti "artists" and this smug one in particular. Whether you like him or his art is irrelvant.* This was private property. It was absolutely nothing to do with the council. When the council sticks it's nose into things which are none of it's business. it ought to make damn sure that it has got everything straight. * I tend to agree with you on him and has 'art' BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blankster Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 People on here have been dancing on just about every other grave - BTL landlords, builders, estate agents, banks. Any sector which hasn't had its grave danced on by the miserati of HPC must feel a bit left out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest absolutezero Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 You get paid in something else? i repeat, your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogbrush Posted September 8, 2009 Author Share Posted September 8, 2009 i repeat, your point? Well when you said this to someone else; Because everything in your world has to be measured in monetary terms, doesn't it? it seemed you were rather distainful of the shabby idea of valuing things in terms of money. The obvious conclusion is that you have higher values for your labour. Or perhaps you're just a hypocrite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest absolutezero Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Well when you said this to someone else;it seemed you were rather distainful of the shabby idea of valuing things in terms of money. The obvious conclusion is that you have higher values for your labour. Or perhaps you're just a hypocrite. Or I'm saying that not everything can be measured in monetary terms. For example you pay £10,000 for a round the world cruise and the experience is the best thing that's ever happened to you. You've seen loads of amazing things. Is it worth £10,000 or is it worth something else, something that can't be measured in money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Or I'm saying that not everything can be measured in monetary terms.For example you pay £10,000 for a round the world cruise and the experience is the best thing that's ever happened to you. You've seen loads of amazing things. Is it worth £10,000 or is it worth something else, something that can't be measured in money? I would say it CAN be measured in money, albeit inaccurately. Andrew Oswald (of HPC fame) is an economist who, I believe, specialises in placing a monetary value on happiness, literaly - or how much money you have to pay to get said amount of happiness. You have a fair argument frankly - one which I disagree with, but accept as I think the answer is qualitative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogbrush Posted September 8, 2009 Author Share Posted September 8, 2009 Or I'm saying that not everything can be measured in monetary terms.For example you pay £10,000 for a round the world cruise and the experience is the best thing that's ever happened to you. You've seen loads of amazing things. Is it worth £10,000 or is it worth something else, something that can't be measured in money? Well it's worth over £10k to you and under £10k to the provider, otherwise you wouldn't have swapped the event for the £10k. Would you have paid £20k for it? OR £100k? Does any change to your decision mean you place a monetary value on the event? Do you do this with everything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest absolutezero Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Well it's worth over £10k to you and under £10k to the provider, otherwise you wouldn't have swapped the event for the £10k.Would you have paid £20k for it? OR £100k? Does any change to your decision mean you place a monetary value on the event? Do you do this with everything? No, but you (and a lot more on here) evidently do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 No, but you (and a lot more on here) evidently do. I've noticed this in the last 5 years or so - public sector employees who are so well renumerated for what they do they have forgotten the value of money. Honestly, I have observed this in really low-class petty thief indebted types before, and the odd self-made debt-chav. I have met millionaires who considered the value for money in their purchases more. Valuing tangible wealth, represented by cash, and how s*dding hard it is to create is a virtue. Not doing so is, by association, a moral crime, as it disrespects the act of wealth creation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest absolutezero Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I've noticed this in the last 5 years or so - public sector employees who are so well renumerated for what they do they have forgotten the value of money. Honestly, I have observed this in really low-class petty thief indebted types before, and the odd self-made debt-chav. I have met millionaires who considered the value for money in their purchases more. I have noticed this in the population in general. It affects the private sector too. 'How much is your house worth?' '500'. 'You mean five hundred thousand pounds, also known as half a million pounds?' 'Yeah, 500.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I have noticed this in the population in general. It affects the private sector too.'How much is your house worth?' '500'. 'You mean five hundred thousand pounds, also known as half a million pounds?' 'Yeah, 500.' indeed - self-made debt-chavs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob monkhouse Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Yes! Public sector bastardos! They caused this bloomin economic crash; what with their lax lending criterias and their greedy bonus culture. Why, what they should do is outsource loads of their service to private contractors, yes that will work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 (edited) Yes! Public sector bastardos!They caused this bloomin economic crash; what with their lax lending criterias and their greedy bonus culture. Why, what they should do is outsource loads of their service to private contractors, yes that will work. how feckless and irresponsible. tell me - who pays the public sector's wages? where does the money come from? Edited September 8, 2009 by Si1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyracantha Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 how feckless and irresponsible. tell me - who pays the public sector's wages? where does the money come from? We recently moved out (because it sold) of a rental owned by a couple - him public sector drone, her bailed out bankster. Neither could see why we haven't bought yet. I offered all the 'rising unemployment', 'what happens when QE stops?' etc arguments. It all meant nothing to them. Buying a bigger house (even though they have no kids) in a posher area (to prove how important they are) was the most important thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob monkhouse Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 how feckless and irresponsible. tell me - who pays the public sector's wages? where does the money come from? Well, it comes from the pockets of good honest altruistic well healed chaps like yourself I imagine. The lazy slobs. Bloody disgraceful, could you imagine any self respecting private sector entity living of the scraps of the state? Pah! In the private sector it's survival of the fittest, oh yes, no public money to bail out irresponsible or ineffective behaviour in the real world! The swines! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Well, it comes from the pockets of good honest altruistic well healed chaps like yourself I imagine. The lazy slobs. Bloody disgraceful, could you imagine any self respecting private sector entity living of the scraps of the state? Pah! In the private sector it's survival of the fittest, oh yes, no public money to bail out irresponsible or ineffective behaviour in the real world!The swines! you strike me as frightened. in the long run if govt spending (overstaffed overpaid public sector) is not controlled then you, me, we all wil be poorer and with less jobs, and less reqarding jobs. think about your children - or young relatives - do we really have a right to leave them with an indebted poor country?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest absolutezero Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 how feckless and irresponsible. tell me - who pays the public sector's wages? where does the money come from? The State. The State's coffers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 The State.The State's coffers. rubs chin in ironic agreement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 you strike me as frightened. in the long run if govt spending (overstaffed overpaid public sector) is not controlled then you, me, we all wil be poorer and with less jobs, and less reqarding jobs. think about your children - or young relatives - do we really have a right to leave them with an indebted poor country?? [ off House Prices > House prices and the economy > Debt: Clear It, Or Wait? ] Okay, Ive got about 8k remaining on credit cards. Been paying down £650 a month, which leaves me with nowt afterwards. All the cards are switched onto interest free for a year. Should I a. Continue paying down, be debt free in 1 year. (minus some student loan). b. Pay the minimum, and save the money towards a house deposit or ISA/Stock investment I cant decide whether we are facing infltaion in the near future or not. What would the great and the wise of the HPC do? frightened then... and quite young Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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