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As I have just 'had a go' at people on another thread for getting bogged down in insignificant details and missing the 'big picture', this is my take on where we are at the moment.

We have just experienced by far the biggest credit bubble in history and now it has burst I cannot understand it when people question why I think things will change.

So for the record these are some of my predictions for the future.

The Euro will fail in the next 5-10 years

The EU itself will not survive in its current form

MMGW will be quietly consigned to the political dustbin.

China's Economic miracle is finished

Socialism in the UK is finished.

The US will emerge from this depression even more powerful than it was before.

The Dollar will be the World reserve currency for the next 100 years.

Renewable energy in this country is finished

Oil gas and coal will last another 100 years

I don't want an argument with anyone, I am just interested to see how 'off the wall' my predictions are viewed by other people.

But if anyone else wants an argument, be my guest.

It would also be interesting to see if anyone else is prepared to 'stick their necks out' and make a few predictions of their own.

:rolleyes:

So basically your prediction is that the right (and by extension yourself) will be proved correct on every issue. :rolleyes:

I'm not sure 'off the wall' is the exact term I'd use...

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The EU will survive and strengthen eventually.

The UK will probably survive in it's present form.

The US Dollar will remain the world's dominant reserve currency.

Labour will survive and will be elected again but not for at least ten years.

Iran will get a nuclear bomb and will test it.

Naval skirmishes will increase in disputed territories primarily over mineral rights but also over fishing rights.

Turkey will remain outside the EU despite Britain's best efforts to get them in.

Ice shelves will continue to shrink in summer months but opinion will continue to be divided over the consequences of this continuation.

The first Chinese mission to the moon will end in fatalities.

It will be twenty years before the next American reusable manned space vehicle is ready for use.

New oil fields will be found in deep water over the next ten years.

EDIT: Bit amateur I know but at least I stuck my neck out on at least two of these. Would have posted more but I have to go to bed now.

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Read George Orwell's 1984 for a fairly odds-on prediction of where we will all be in a decade or so.....

Add numbers of 1984 up = 22

B= 2nd letter of alphabet

Therefore B_ig B_rother = 22 = Freemasonry+illuminati

22 is one of the most important numbers in FreeMasonary.

The Grand Masters/illuminati are a Death Cult Druid sect!

Both Druidism/Freemasonry are traced to Egypt/Babylonian areas!

The Freemasons (for all their perceived wisdom/passed down 'know-ledge') don't even know when it all started or by whom!

It's Hot to Swot!

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So basically your prediction is that the right (and by extension yourself) will be proved correct on every issue. :rolleyes:

I'm not sure 'off the wall' is the exact term I'd use...

Fair point.

I suppose having consistently been proven right for decades, it is hardly radical to predict the same in the future.

TBH though, I don't find much support for many of my ideas in the press or media, so perhaps that is why I feel they are quite radical.

For example I don't remember reading any articles predicting the demise of the Euro.

:rolleyes:

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The EU will survive and strengthen eventually.

No Chance :rolleyes:

The UK will probably survive in it's present form.

I hope not, I don't like its present form.

The US Dollar will remain the world's dominant reserve currency.

Agree.

Labour will survive and will be elected again but not for at least ten years.

Good start but hope they never get elected again, they certainly don't deserve to IMO.

Iran will get a nuclear bomb and will test it.

Possibly, but not if Israel has anything to do with it.

Naval skirmishes will increase in disputed territories primarily over mineral rights but also over fishing rights.

Probably.

Turkey will remain outside the EU despite Britain's best efforts to get them in.

Defenitely.

Ice shelves will continue to shrink in summer months but opinion will continue to be divided over the consequences of this continuation.

Who knows, frankly anything could happen as climate models are worthless.

The first Chinese mission to the moon will end in fatalities.

If it did you wouldn't know about it.

It will be twenty years before the next American reusable manned space vehicle is ready for use.

Could be.

New oil fields will be found in deep water over the next ten years.

Could be.

EDIT: Bit amateur I know but at least I stuck my neck out on at least two of these. Would have posted more but I have to go to bed now.

Watch out for the Bogey Man!

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The good thing about predictions is that nobody knows whether they will be accurate or not. Here's my take on your predictions.

The Euro will fail in the next 5-10 years. Agree.

The EU itself will not survive in its current form. Agree, but it's been evolving ever since it's inceptions so there's no reason to think anything will change in the next few years.

MMGW will be quietly consigned to the political dustbin. Agree.

China's Economic miracle is finished. I don't agree with this and expect China to be the dominant power of the world throughout this century.

Socialism in the UK is finished. I expect the two major parties to become more radical as the country struggles through the next decade, so I don't agree with this either.

The US will emerge from this depression even more powerful than it was before. I think America is on the wain as a political and economic leader and hence very dangerous.

The Dollar will be the World reserve currency for the next 100 years. As above don't agree with this.

Renewable energy in this country is finished. Maybe.

Oil gas and coal will last another 100 years. Probably.

Traffic lighted responses. I bet the Labour party would pay me bucket loads of money for that!

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The good thing about predictions is that nobody knows whether they will be accurate or not. Here's my take on your predictions.

The Euro will fail in the next 5-10 years. Agree.

The EU itself will not survive in its current form. Agree, but it's been evolving ever since it's inceptions so there's no reason to think anything will change in the next few years.

MMGW will be quietly consigned to the political dustbin. Agree.

China's Economic miracle is finished. I don't agree with this and expect China to be the dominant power of the world throughout this century.

I think China has great potential, but it has had great potential for hundreds of years. I think China is going to struggle to meet its own people's economic expectations and unless the Communist Party gives up power voluntarily the country could see years of internal unrest. I don't believe China will overtake the US in the 21st Century because the US will continue to grow

Socialism in the UK is finished. I expect the two major parties to become more radical as the country struggles through the next decade, so I don't agree with this either.

I think the Labour Party will destroy itself in opposition.

The US will emerge from this depression even more powerful than it was before. I think America is on the wain as a political and economic leader and hence very dangerous.

I think Americas population could easily double this Century and the size of its economy will grow accordingly. America is a young country, it has not yet achieved its maximum power or potential IMO.

The Dollar will be the World reserve currency for the next 100 years. As above don't agree with this.

Don't agree for reason given above.

Renewable energy in this country is finished. Maybe.

Oil gas and coal will last another 100 years. Probably.

Traffic lighted responses. I bet the Labour party would pay me bucket loads of money for that!

The Labour party would pay you bucket loads of money to do anything if they thought it would make you more likely to vote for them. This explains the massive growth of the public sector and the welfare state in the last ten years.

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I have but one observation to make; about China.

Don't think for a moment they are finished or out for the count. It is all quite simple really. Because they treat their workers like insects in their 'communist' paradise, they are a cheap place to make things.

Guess who makes all of the internet and phone switching equipment from your 8 port switch to multilayer fibre systems? Yup, because they are cheap. Do you really believe that the Guoanbu have not put some sort of backdoor switch into the firmware of these strategic items that now run everything from banks to battleships? But at least this strategic material we trust our enemies to make was cheap!

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I have but one observation to make; about China.

Don't think for a moment they are finished or out for the count. It is all quite simple really. Because they treat their workers like insects in their 'communist' paradise, they are a cheap place to make things.

Guess who makes all of the internet and phone switching equipment from your 8 port switch to multilayer fibre systems? Yup, because they are cheap. Do you really believe that the Guoanbu have not put some sort of backdoor switch into the firmware of these strategic items that now run everything from banks to battleships? But at least this strategic material we trust our enemies to make was cheap!

If they crash the World economy what then?

They already did that anyway when they tried to spend some of the billions of dollars they accumulated over the last 10 years on food and oil.

China is pretty screwed now because they built an economy based on exports and no one has the money to buy their stuff anymore.

What they need to do is make stuff for their own people, but they will have to transform their way of thinking in order to do this.

If the Communist Party frees the Chinese people they could have a bright future, if they don't, who knows what might happen.

It will take decades for China to raise its people's standard of living to that enjoyed by the citizens of America and by that time US output will probably have doubled.

America is a young energetic country with the potential to expand internally whereas China is an ancient society that has reached the limits of its internal expansion and has stagnated for centuries.

Just my opinion.

:rolleyes:

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Add numbers of 1984 up = 22

B= 2nd letter of alphabet

Therefore B_ig B_rother = 22 = Freemasonry+illuminati

22 is one of the most important numbers in FreeMasonary.

The Grand Masters/illuminati are a Death Cult Druid sect!

Both Druidism/Freemasonry are traced to Egypt/Babylonian areas!

The Freemasons (for all their perceived wisdom/passed down 'know-ledge') don't even know when it all started or by whom!

It's Hot to Swot!

Looking good so far... but what have the tea leaves got to say? :lol:

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Looking good so far... but what have the tea leaves got to say? :lol:

I had to laugh :lol:

Apparently all the Romanies (Gypsies) have the secrets to ancient knowledge in their 'spoken only' customs and knowledge - originally why they had such an effect/power over people in the old days.

The top echelon Druid/masons don't like this challenge, therefore they have marginalised/reduced to poverty/Holocaust the Romany Populations of the World for 100's of years!

A typical Occult twist!

original Romany good - Romany made to look bad (thru persecution!)

There's more in those "tea leaves" than you think :o

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My prediction is that people will just get sick of it of all, reject all failed political and economic entities, and will fight to get back to nature and reclaim their spiritual identity as the only creature in the known universe capable of conscious thought. The all pervasive, soul-crushing supposed 'rationalism' that dreams up free market faeries and marxist utopias will be thrown away.

Greater value will be placed on real traditional skills and education based on unrestrained learning not a dumbed down curriculum will be prized and people will reach their potential and teenagers will make great discoveries.

Money will barely be needed but when it is it will be debt-free and a 'banker' will merely be an administrator.

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My prediction is that people will just get sick of it of all, reject all failed political and economic entities, and will fight to get back to nature and reclaim their spiritual identity as the only creature in the known universe capable of conscious thought. The all pervasive, soul-crushing supposed 'rationalism' that dreams up free market faeries and marxist utopias will be thrown away.

Greater value will be placed on real traditional skills and education based on unrestrained learning not a dumbed down curriculum will be prized and people will reach their potential and teenagers will make great discoveries.

Money will barely be needed but when it is it will be debt-free and a 'banker' will merely be an administrator.

Member number 24 - impressive.

I'm not sure it's that easy to 'opt out'

Perhaps people could do what I have done and subvert the system.

If enough people do this it will eventually collapse

But then it would just be replaced by another system.

Being humans we are social creatures and as such part of the price of being human is that we can never escape the system.

BTW, do you know No.1 and how would I get to talk to him or her?

:rolleyes:

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Member number 24 - impressive.

I'm not sure it's that easy to 'opt out'

Perhaps people could do what I have done and subvert the system.

If enough people do this it will eventually collapse

But then it would just be replaced by another system.

Being humans we are social creatures and as such part of the price of being human is that we can never escape the system.

BTW, do you know No.1 and how would I get to talk to him or her?

:rolleyes:

You are, number 1.

or

You are number 1.

:ph34r:

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My prediction is that people will just get sick of it of all, reject all failed political and economic entities, and will fight to get back to nature and reclaim their spiritual identity as the only creature in the known universe capable of conscious thought. The all pervasive, soul-crushing supposed 'rationalism' that dreams up free market faeries and marxist utopias will be thrown away.

Greater value will be placed on real traditional skills and education based on unrestrained learning not a dumbed down curriculum will be prized and people will reach their potential and teenagers will make great discoveries.

Money will barely be needed but when it is it will be debt-free and a 'banker' will merely be an administrator.

Not an at all bad set of goals that I'd certainly go along with.

How many people are we prepared to sh1t on to achieve them though? And what happens to the unenlightened that don't fit in.

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The Euro will fail in the next 5-10 years

I don't see any evidence for that. All the time central bank ECB can print money in step with the FED, it will continue. The Euro is as strong as its strongest members. If the ECB prints more money, it devalues, making European exports cheaper. This can only help the currency. Smaller member states like Ireland and Greece are considered collateral damage in the process of monetary union. They might choose to break away for their own reasons but the core industrial nations would likely keep the Euro. This means the Benelux nations and Franco-German axis. Smaller nations breaking away would actually strengthen the Euro.

The EU itself will not survive in its current form

This ties in with the point made above. The "old Europe" club of Keynsian industrial strength with command economies and tight labour and regulatory principles will survive in the core countries. This probably excludes Britain, Scandinavia, Ireland and most of eastern Europe. The chasm between the more neoliberal zones (the latter) and the former core zone will give credence to the old notion of a "two speed Europe" and it may well fracture along those lines.

Old Europe has spent the last 10 years attempting to shoehorn Britain into the club with the aim of strengthening itself against neoliberal Europe. This has been made possible through the formation of closer interdependency. Unfortunately for Britain, it's a one way dependency where Britain's infrastructure - energy and utilities being a prime example - is now largely owned by core Europe.

MMGW will be quietly consigned to the political dustbin.

This might be the case but there are now many VIs who stand to gain a great deal from the perpetuation of the theory. It will probably be used as justification for governments to increase taxes and for a whole raft of corporatations to gain lucrative contracts selling us the "solution".

China's Economic miracle is finished

China is far stronger now than it has ever been. It has a lot of problems and the potential for growing unrest, but with access to important natural resources and nuclear defence, it is in a position to develop its internal markets for its own benefit. It could become far more insular and protectionist, in the way it was before it embraced elements of "free market" capitalism. China has also secured energy and natural resource supplies well into the future.

Socialism in the UK is finished.

Depends on whose definition you use, but real socialism probably died in the 1970s with "Old Labour".

The neo-liberal policies of new labour, were, I believe, seen as important by the power elite in Brussels because the "middle way" might help them extend their power to the more neoliberal parts of Europe. I think the experiment failed and that the only way they now have of subjugating European nation states is by destabilising their financial systems through stealth.

The US will emerge from this depression even more powerful than it was before.

I doubt it. A balancing game is taking place and the US is being slowly quelled in a controlled demolition. There are too many conflicting interests and other countries playing catch-up for the US to ever be like it was during the height of its power.

The Dollar will be the World reserve currency for the next 100 years.

I doubt that. The dollar has become more and more worthless since 1971. It's reached a point (along with most other western currencies) where the debt cannot physically increase. Other significant countries are also looking to remove dollar hegemony. I think they might just succeed.

Renewable energy in this country is finished

Wind power is being invested in at an ever increasing pace, as are offshore wind farms. Couple that with a dire need to reduce dependency on fossil fuels and I think there could be an energy renaissance in the UK. The UK is wind and wave rich compared to other parts of Europe. This makes it strategically important for energy security across the continent.

Oil gas and coal will last another 100 years

The oil and other fossil fuels are there but is it viable to abstract them?

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My prediction? People will continue to predict a future which directly benefits themselves and their current situation.

Prediction is more complicated. A lot of what is in this thread is not prediction but guesses or people writing what they hope will happen. If you are going to make predictions about global politics and economics then it will help if you have a proper theoretical framework to hang them on because a realist will make a different prediction than a liberal and they will both be very different from a structuralist's ideas.

Just my two cents.

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No, I don't think there will be a war in Europe. But we already have plenty imperialistic wars going on right now, with plenty mission creep already evident.

Imperialism is "the highest form of Capitalism".

Capitalism is the highest form of imperialism

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