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Large, industrialised societies will cease to exist - The UK is in the vanguard of this process which is already underway with the incipient nationalistic balkanisation of an already de-industrialised country. The Scottish parliament today produced details of their Independence Bill.

Scottish Parliament?

There's no such thing.

I think you're referring to the Regional Assembly of the Scotland Zone of the EU.

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-Renewable energy in this country is finished

You don't believe in Global warming huh?

No, and neither do the environmental lobby.

That's why they now call it 'climate change'.

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-The Euro will fail in the next 5-10 years

No chance. Strengthen. With maybe some teething problems for countries. But with things like Iran pushing for oil trading in Euro, the future is bright.

Iran pushing for oil trading in Euro's? Can't see any political motive for that

~ Not sure if you were being sarcastic or not. Oil being bought and sold in Dollars is extremely beneficial to the US. The Iraqis changing the sale of their oil to be in Euros instead of Dollars was one of the reasons Bush invaded them.

-The EU itself will not survive in its current form

Well it's going to change, seems to only be coming more and more important, not less. Countries with the audacity to vote no to be asked again, and maybe again to ratify.

Exactly - anti-democratic and totalitarian. France and Germany bullying smaller countries into doing their bidding.

~The boring Super state that Europe will become. Can only be good for the Euro.

-MMGW will be quietly consigned to the political dustbin.

MMGW to become self evident.

MMGW now shown by data to be a fallacy, hence not so subtle name change to Climate Change which is indisputable as the climate has always changed and always will

~ Whose data is that? George W Bush's ? If one single volcano errupting can change the atmosphere and the weather drastically for a couple of years (e.g. Krakatoa), then I don't see how 6 billion people burning stuff for warmth, air conditioning, entertainment, transport etc etc for 365 days a year can fail to change the weather slightly. The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere goes up year on year. I don't think that is natural. True, the climate has changed naturally for as long as we know and would have continued to do so.

-China's Economic miracle is finished

Finished? They're going to take a hit like everyone. And then get back to dragging more and more of itself out of the dark ages.

I think much of the miracle is/was fiddled figures.

~Ah as in everything in China is great and will continue to be so. Like our economic miracle. Can't argue there. I was more meaning they are becoming more and more Westernised and have reversed the trend of being left behind.

-Socialism in the UK is finished.

People like their NHS.

I don't think any serious politicians actually believe that the NHS can survive for much longer in its present form. Obama certainly won't introduce anything like our NHS in the USA and I don't think you could describe health care provision as a Socialist idea. There is no such thing as FREE health care, you either pay for it through NI or through private insurance, either way it isn't free and if the taxes cost more than private insurance then people are actually getting a worse deal from a Nationalised Health service.

~So who is going to pay for dole scroungers to get health care? Fit working people would be better off paying for health insurance. Are you suggesting that people on the dole if they get sick just don't have access to health care and die?

-The US will emerge from this depression even more powerful than it was before.

If they were the most powerful before, hard to see them becoming any more powerful. Their debt crisis could be colossal and other countries sorting themselves out. e.g. Iran, Venezuela, Russia, China.

I think they will be more powerful in relative terms because others will be hit much harder and take longer to recover.

~ Seems to me they are going to be hit quite hard. Economically, things look bleak for them. Invading countries seems too expensive for them and they can't even seem to get rid of right wing elected south american leaders these days.

- The Dollar will be the World reserve currency for the next 100 years.

Maybe. But that's what is expected.

Not by many people on this site who are expecting a World currency any day now.

~ That seems a long way off.

-Renewable energy in this country is finished

You don't believe in Global warming huh?

Does anyone really anymore? Its just people don't like to admit they were wrong.

~ ? I remember looking at ice coverage of the artic over the last forty years and it seems to be shrinking year on year. Must be those pesky scientists playing with the data.

Oil gas and coal will last another 100 years

Quite possibly.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Yes but only the 'Tinfoil Hat' brigade actually believe in any of this NWO nonsense.

Who is going to create this NWO? Barrack Obama?

And in the absence of a World Currency, which will probably come about eventually, perhaps in a few hundred years time

Which currency is going to replace the Dollar, the Euro? The Yen? The Rouble?

I don't think so.

:rolleyes:

it's alreay in existence. fwiw, many politicians have already said the famous line 'we are creating a New World Order' even our own one eyed economic monster has said it.

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Commenting on each point in turn:

The Euro will fail in the next 5-10 years.....Extremely unlikely.

The EU itself will not survive in its current form.....I dare say it will adapt and change

MMGW will be quietly consigned to the political dustbin....Yes - when all the windfarms are up and running.

China's Economic miracle is finished.....I hardly think so.

Socialism in the UK is finished......New Labour was not socialist!

The US will emerge from this depression even more powerful than it was before....Possibly

The Dollar will be the World reserve currency for the next 100 years.....Maybe.

Renewable energy in this country is finished......Totally not.

Oil gas and coal will last another 100 years.....But we'll see severe shortages long before supplies run out.

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The Euro will fail in the next 5-10 years

Undoubtly, PIGS are going down

The EU itself will not survive in its current form

Agree

MMGW will be quietly consigned to the political dustbin.

Agree, it won't be an issue. Food + the economy will be on everyones agenda

China's Economic miracle is finished

Yep, China very likely to split up after collapse of centralized power

Socialism in the UK is finished.

Most likely. Benefits culture will certainly be gone, Public workers fooked

The US will emerge from this depression even more powerful than it was before.

Ha. What evidence for that? The US is finished, it has exactly the same problems us Brits have. Will most likely likely return to capitalistic anarchy or anarcho-socialism.

The Dollar will be the World reserve currency for the next 100 years.

No way. First Sterling collapse, then the dollar. It is supported by the most indebtedness culture out of all history, do you really believe it will hold any value?

Renewable energy in this country is finished

No. Renewable energy will be the future, as who's gonna pay for all the imported oil and gas?

Oil gas and coal will last another 100 years

Probably as perpetual growth will never return again as societies become isolationist, self-reliant and nationalist, thus energy demand will be phenomenally reduced. Think N. Korea

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it's alreay in existence. fwiw, many politicians have already said the famous line 'we are creating a New World Order' even our own one eyed economic monster has said it.

Yeah, but he's finished.

Most of the current regimes are going to be wiped out by this depression.

Look what happened in Japan.

The new politicians have new ideas

The NWO will be more nationalism and more self sufficiency and protectionism IMO.

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The Euro will fail in the next 5-10 years

Undoubtly, PIGS are going down

The EU itself will not survive in its current form

Agree

MMGW will be quietly consigned to the political dustbin.

Agree, it won't be an issue. Food + the economy will be on everyones agenda

China's Economic miracle is finished

Yep, China very likely to split up after collapse of centralized power

Don't think China will split up, but it will have a hard time meeting the economic expectations of its own people, unless of course it totally abandons Communism.

Socialism in the UK is finished.

Most likely. Benefits culture will certainly be gone, Public workers fooked

Agree

The US will emerge from this depression even more powerful than it was before.

Ha. What evidence for that? The US is finished, it has exactly the same problems us Brits have. Will most likely likely return to capitalistic anarchy or anarcho-socialism.

The US has vast amounts of land and vast amounts of natural resources. It can grow ALL its own food and has a large well educated and entrepreneurial population. The level of US debt is irrelevant because its economic fundamentals are so strong. The US is like Russia, it will never be weak for long before 'bouncing back' even stronger.

The Dollar will be the World reserve currency for the next 100 years.

No way. First Sterling collapse, then the dollar. It is supported by the most indebtedness culture out of all history, do you really believe it will hold any value?

Do you really believe it will fail? Too many countries hold dollars to allow it to fail.

It will not fail and although Sterling will be hammered it will outlive the Euro IMO.

Renewable energy in this country is finished

No. Renewable energy will be the future, as who's gonna pay for all the imported oil and gas?

We will have coal fired power stations as coal is cheap and plentiful plus nukes. Renewables are unreliable and expensive in comparison - we haven't got the land for wind turbines or the climate for solar.

Oil gas and coal will last another 100 years

Probably as perpetual growth will never return again as societies become isolationist, self-reliant and nationalist, thus energy demand will be phenomenally reduced. Think N. Korea

Largely agree, but reserves will also grow due to new discoveries and more advanced methods of extraction

:rolleyes:

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Where are you getting these quotes from?

The war is over Comrade - the Capitalist Imperialist running dogs won.

:lol:

Heh, it looks that way - that's what you're expected to think.

The midnight fathers are in deep cover - there are more of us than you know. We're in deep in the system, in its fouled blood, in its creaking bones, in its edgy nerves. In its schools and universities, its bureaucracies and businesses, its studios and offices, its factories and homes.

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OK, we were asked to make some of our own predictions:

The internet will become a much more controlled environment.

Global warming will cease, indicating that it was a natural phenomenon.

Car makers will offer hybrid options in place of conventional automatics.

Wind power skeptics will be won over as the big offshore windfarms come on-stream.

The next general election here will be close-run. Labour will gain from SNP in Scotland, while they lose votes in England, probably to LibDems. UKIP will sink Cameron's chances of a Tory landslide.

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Heh, it looks that way - that's what you're expected to think.

The midnight fathers are in deep cover - there are more of us than you know. We're in deep in the system, in its fouled blood, in its creaking bones, in its edgy nerves. In its schools and universities, its bureaucracies and businesses, its studios and offices, its factories and homes.

So no chance of you guys ever being democratically elected by the people then?

It's going to be a re-run of the 80's is it? attempting to succeed where Scargill failed, the Unions trying to overthrow a democratically elected Government.

The Public Sector Unions vs Cameron.

Well don't forget that this time the Conservatives will have all the machinery and laws of a police state introduced by Nu Labour at their disposal.

It's going to get very nasty, but you will lose again and the people of this country will NEVER elect a Socialist government ever again.

Game On.

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OK, we were asked to make some of our own predictions:

The internet will become a much more controlled environment.

Global warming will cease, indicating that it was a natural phenomenon.

Car makers will offer hybrid options in place of conventional automatics.

Wind power skeptics will be won over as the big offshore windfarms come on-stream.

The next general election here will be close-run. Labour will gain from SNP in Scotland, while they lose votes in England, probably to LibDems. UKIP will sink Cameron's chances of a Tory landslide.

Global warming has already ceased that's why its now called Climate Change

And offshore wind farms will only be built if they receive massive subsidies and I don't think a future government will have the spare cash to do this.

Not sure about the next election, I think the Conservatives will get an overall majority, but not a big one.

But they will they be able to sort out the West Lothian question which will guarantee them power in England for decades.

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If you had been saying this a hundred years ago you would have been at the cutting edge of political thinking.

Social models that work in very small, very wealthy, resource rich countries invariably fail in large industrialised societies.

But that is only my opinion of course.

:rolleyes:

Corporal punishment will be brought back in school. Maybe a wish rather than a prediction.

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Heh, it looks that way - that's what you're expected to think.

The midnight fathers are in deep cover - there are more of us than you know. We're in deep in the system, in its fouled blood, in its creaking bones, in its edgy nerves. In its schools and universities, its bureaucracies and businesses, its studios and offices, its factories and homes.

You do realise that this is a site where the overwhelming majority of posters

1. hate Scots, and

2. hate lefties

don't you?

You'll get a friendlier reception over at the BNP site, tbh.

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You do realise that this is a site where the overwhelming majority of posters

1. hate Scots, and

2. hate lefties

don't you?

You'll get a friendlier reception over at the BNP site, tbh.

Is it?

It seems to be crawling with Lefties and Eco Mentalists to me

Or perhaps I just attract them?

Like moths to a flame

:lol:

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So no chance of you guys ever being democratically elected by the people then?

It's going to be a re-run of the 80's is it? attempting to succeed where Scargill failed, the Unions trying to overthrow a democratically elected Government.

The Public Sector Unions vs Cameron.

Well don't forget that this time the Conservatives will have all the machinery and laws of a police state introduced by Nu Labour at their disposal.

It's going to get very nasty, but you will lose again and the people of this country will NEVER elect a Socialist government ever again.

Game On.

:blink:

No. "It's" not going to be like that at all. There will be no revolution, no "overthrow", no one event, no social conflict, no "getting nasty" and no re-run. We don't need no re-ron.

It'll be like boiling a frog.

The public are already well used to the idea of the bearded trots running our banks!

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No. "It's" not going to be like that at all. There will be no revolution, no "overthrow", no one event, no social conflict, no "getting nasty" and no re-run. We don't need no re-ron.

It'll be like boiling a frog.

The public are already well used to the idea of the bearded trots running our banks!

Yeah, but what you don't realise is that Darling has been 'turned', he is actually now working for the illuminati and attempting to establish a NWO.

Brown is just a one-eyed Scottish [email protected]

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