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I just saw these jobs advertised on the Telegraph website (see attached).

Now 2 things,

1) Yes it is an apprentice, but can someone really justify working for £10,000 per year? I was earning more than that back in the early 1990s as a student before I went to University.

2) Why is the Telegraph even advertising such jobs? Is there a terrible national shortage of apprentice librarians, so that the Council has to hunt the breadth of the country? I wonder if they'd pay relocation for someone coming down from Scotland???? But seriously, shouldn't such jobs be put up in the local job centre. Telegraph must be desperate and the Islington Council stupid.

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I suspect the only people that will apply for the Apprentice Library Assistant job will be someone who either still lives with their parents or someone who pays very little for their housing costs. Does beg the question whether a local advert would have been more cost effective for the employer. :unsure:

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I've been re-doing a website for a (private sector) company and of the last three jobs on offer at the company the wages have been:

Call Centre: 13K

Accounts Assistant 14K

Repairer Manager 15-17.5K (2nd jobber at least)

Okay, so hardly 'skilled' or degree level jobs, but hey shows what's out there and on these wages good luck doing anything other than subsisting / living with parents at Brighton prices. The accounts assistant salary really surprised me I have to say.

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Is it ultra low?

What are the current rates of the national minimum wage?

There are three levels of minimum wage, and the rates from 1 October 2008 are:

* £5.73 per hour for workers aged 22 years and older

* A development rate of £4.77 per hour for workers aged 18-21 inclusive

* £3.53 per hour for all workers under the age of 18, who are no longer of compulsory school age

£6791.72 PA on £3.53 for 37 hrs a week.

9177.48 PA on the 4.77

and 11024.52 for minimum wage £5.73

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11024.52 for minimum wage £5.73

£10,428.60 if it's a 35 hour week.

Then you're taxed on it, so you take home £759 after paying £110/month tax and NI.

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I started as a receptionist at 16K in 1993 - wage deflation indeed!

You'd be hard pushed to get that now. In many areas Office Manager jobs, responsible for doing all the accounts and payroll too are advertised at £16k

In about 1990 I was temping as a secretary and getting £6.60/hour. Recently I signed with some agencies and was told "we usually pay £6/hour". I gave them what for though and now they will only call me if they're paying £7.50-10.... on the other hand, I know a school leaver just north of London who is in/out of jobs a lot and she's often being paid £8+/hour for "nothing jobs", such as handing out bags at an exhibition.

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I just saw these jobs advertised on the Telegraph website (see attached).

Now 2 things,

1) Yes it is an apprentice, but can someone really justify working for �10,000 per year? I was earning more than that back in the early 1990s as a student before I went to University.

2) Why is the Telegraph even advertising such jobs? Is there a terrible national shortage of apprentice librarians, so that the Council has to hunt the breadth of the country? I wonder if they'd pay relocation for someone coming down from Scotland???? But seriously, shouldn't such jobs be put up in the local job centre. Telegraph must be desperate and the Islington Council stupid.

But just think about that humongous sum of a gold plated pension they will get! They wi have the last laugh.

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At the start of the 80s I started my Apprenticeship on an engineering industry training scheme that paid £27.50 a week, a fiver more than the YOP scheme. The worst paid company apprentice was on £55 a week. The second year I got a fiver more.

As far as I was concerned it was worth it as I was getting training and skills that took me into a decent job.

Well, decent until Maggie screwed the country over with her Financial Service based hell.

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In 1960 I started my apprentiship . For a basic six and a half day week(48 hours) I was paid £2.12.6 (£2.55p) before tax. Take home pay was £2. The price of a new 3 bed semi was £2000.00.

£10000 is about 100 times the amount I started at. The same house today is around 100 times greater.

I think young people today have an inflated view of their worth in the labour market.

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In 1960 I started my apprentiship . For a basic six and a half day week(48 hours) I was paid £2.12.6 (£2.55p) before tax. Take home pay was £2. The price of a new 3 bed semi was £2000.00.

£10000 is about 100 times the amount I started at. The same house today is around 100 times greater.

I think young people today have an inflated view of their worth in the labour market.

£10000 or £1000?

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In 1960 I started my apprentiship . For a basic six and a half day week(48 hours) I was paid £2.12.6 (£2.55p) before tax. Take home pay was £2. The price of a new 3 bed semi was £2000.00.

£10000 is about 100 times the amount I started at. The same house today is around 100 times greater.

I think young people today have an inflated view of their worth in the labour market.

You don't seem to understand that a huge number of people are not young, have no access to education and can only get these jobs for their entire life.

Those days of 'working your way up' are gone for 99% of the population.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science...zone-layer.html

2) Why is the Telegraph even advertising such jobs? Is there a terrible national shortage of apprentice librarians, so that the Council has to hunt the breadth of the country? I wonder if they'd pay relocation for someone coming down from Scotland???? But seriously, shouldn't such jobs be put up in the local job centre. Telegraph must be desperate and the Islington Council stupid.

Not much rocket science required to explain this situation.

Councils are required by law to advertise all jobs in certain areas of the media such as newspapers so that external applicants can apply.

The Telegraph accepted the advertisements for the simple reason that their business depends in part on the earnings derived from this source. They are hardly going to turn away the money are they ?

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Does apprentice in the job title equal dosh from the government (properly taxpayer)?

The fields are not ones that I would associate with apprentices e.g. "School Workforce Development Team Apprenticeship" :blink::blink:

Further they all seem to be in the public sector, which to my mind has a large enough workforce not to be needing to train others to bloat it further.

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I just saw these jobs advertised on the Telegraph website (see attached).

Now 2 things,

1) Yes it is an apprentice, but can someone really justify working for �10,000 per year? I was earning more than that back in the early 1990s as a student before I went to University.

2) Why is the Telegraph even advertising such jobs? Is there a terrible national shortage of apprentice librarians, so that the Council has to hunt the breadth of the country? I wonder if they'd pay relocation for someone coming down from Scotland???? But seriously, shouldn't such jobs be put up in the local job centre. Telegraph must be desperate and the Islington Council stupid.

Many of the adverts on this site have been placed by agencies - typically scraping the information from the original employer's advert and suckering-in the gullible. These agencies will then contact the employer and attempt to badger them into paying a fee to see CVs from unsuitable candidates.

As well as local authorities many other institutions employ librarians - e.g. schools, colleges, universities, charitable trusts, and some businesses - particularly those who do a lot of market research.

There's no hard and fast rule regarding re-location expenses - few local authorities pay them but generally they're paid for highly-specialised skills in jobs which are generally poorly paid and which are unlikely to attract a large pool of suitable candidates. Re-location expenses are subject to the same taxation regime as anyone else e.g. £8k limit, and also with a early release penalty clause - e.g. leave within one year you're required to repay 100% 2 years 80% etc.

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I just saw these jobs advertised on the Telegraph website (see attached).

Now 2 things,

1) Yes it is an apprentice, but can someone really justify working for �10,000 per year? I was earning more than that back in the early 1990s as a student before I went to University.

2) Why is the Telegraph even advertising such jobs? Is there a terrible national shortage of apprentice librarians, so that the Council has to hunt the breadth of the country? I wonder if they'd pay relocation for someone coming down from Scotland???? But seriously, shouldn't such jobs be put up in the local job centre. Telegraph must be desperate and the Islington Council stupid.

It could be worse, it could have been a job for an 'Intern Library Assistant' work for the experience and maybe get £10 a day expenses.

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But just think about that humongous sum of a gold plated pension they will get! They wi have the last laugh.

But but but.... Public sector wages are higher than comparable private sector ones....

But... but... but... :rolleyes:

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I gave them what for though and now they will only call me if they're paying £7.50-10.... on the other hand, I know a school leaver just north of London who is in/out of jobs a lot and she's often being paid £8+/hour for "nothing jobs", such as handing out bags at an exhibition.

The premium for accepting a couple of days work only at short notice. I am told the agent will be getting around £11/hour.

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You don't seem to understand that a huge number of people are not young, have no access to education and can only get these jobs for their entire life.

Those days of 'working your way up' are gone for 99% of the population.

well seen

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I'm sure we can find lower paying private sector ones.

I have no doubt you can.

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Deflation is here to stay.. we could be in for decades of deflation. Eventually 10k a year might be able to buy a lot.

Just one example, with wages so low and jobs so scarce sooner or later housing will come down. Already it has fallen what 12% in a year? Quite significant if you think about it. 12% deflation in the biggest cost for people in just one year.

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You don't seem to understand that a huge number of people are not young, have no access to education and can only get these jobs for their entire life.

Those days of 'working your way up' are gone for 99% of the population.

But the job is for an apprentice . Not really a suitable position for an uneducated old person who wants to remain an apprentice for life . I might be wrong.

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