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Great Idea.

Here's my name to put on it: Nick Griffin.

Dick

If you are a contractor then you presumably consider yourself to be self-employed. Why do you send your CV to an agent? Why don't you find your own work?

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I would respond that you are not self-employed because you do not determine what you do, nor do you have the right of substitution but I don't want to appear to give any succour to Mr Dundee.

p-o-p

You would not appear to be a contractor then, unless your PAYE scheme is your own and you derive most of your income from dividends.

p-o-p

Why don't you stick to house prices? You clearly know nothing about contracting

I'm not actually saying he has to agree with me am I? I'm saying sign it or don't, whatever. Jesus, there's some retards on this board, think I got them all tonight.

I agree with you, and yes, the clueless retards have made themselves very very visible tonight.

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Nearly all Indians in Mumbai speak English. There are loads of different Indian languages and what you know will depend on where you come from and what religion you are. The only common language in India is English. At least they now have something to thank us for from something that came from the British Empire.

Could be wrong but I would have thought that the bulk of those that you object to being here as ICTs are from Bangalore and do not speak to each other in English once out of the work environment.

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Why don't you stick to house prices? You clearly know nothing about contracting

I agree with you, and yes, the clueless retards have made themselves very very visible tonight.

Whichever way you try and dress up the proposed solution to you remuneration predicament any strategy with a central plank that is the exclusion or discrimination of foreigners is the politics of the BNP. Regardless of how uncomfortable you find this.

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Could be wrong but I would have thought that the bulk of those that you object to being here as ICTs are from Bangalore and do not speak to each other in English once out of the work environment.

p-o-p

Yes, you are wrong again. There are over 50 languages in India, even within the same city. The guys over there frequently speak to each other in English.

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Yep, that right there is the problem then! If you work on anything like large scale database projects and aren't aware of the impact of poor quality data you probably don't hang around long enough after implementation to take accountability for what you're delivering.

Again, nothing personal - this is where IT as an industry has to change it's attitude.

Or maybe it's just not the widespread problem you think it is? I've been in IT a long time and worked for numerous bluechips. I'm well aware of the chaos bad data can cause, I just don't see it often.

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Whichever way you try and dress up the proposed solution to you remuneration predicament any strategy with a central plank that is the exclusion or discrimination of foreigners is the politics of the BNP. Regardless of how uncomfortable you find this.

:lol::lol::rolleyes:

Of course we're talking about exclusion of foreigners, that's what an immigration policy is all about. You know, as practised by most countries in the world.

You do make yourself look stupid sometimes.

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Yes, you are wrong again. There are over 50 languages in India, even within the same city. The guys over there frequently speak to each other in English.

Perhaps they are being polite and not wishing to draw attention to your lack of understanding of their usual language. You really should make some effort to fit in.

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Sigh :rolleyes:

It's all about numbers. When are people going to understand that? Supplementing your workforce where there is a genuine requirement for it is fine (old system). Systematically destroying your own work force in favour of another countries workers is not fine (new system).

we live in a global society. no job is guaranteed. do you only buy british cars to support british workers or do you buy the whatever you think is the best car your money can buy?

because if you do, you are employing foreign factory workers instead of british factory workers.

globalisation occurs in all industries. I.T is nothing special. get over it.

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Could be wrong but I would have thought that the bulk of those that you object to being here as ICTs are from Bangalore and do not speak to each other in English once out of the work environment.

p-o-p

They don't speak it as their main language if speaking to someone who has the same native language, but like I said earlier their are loads of different languages in India (Gujarati, Hindi, Marathi) and if educated Indians from different districts or religions want to talk to each other they will often speak in English. A lot of the schools also teach everything in English.

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Because you build systems, you don't use data.

It's like selling washing machines and not giving a toss how the clothes come out the other end (user error!).

If you want to differentiate yourself from a code monkey...think about how your product gets used in the real world. Still, IT knows best...engine room of the business and all that.

I agree with you Paul, it's an important mostly overlooked area. Personally, I think responsibility for data is best placed within the business.

I still think you exagerate. The entire world runs on IT. Almost all companies would be unable to trade without it - so it can't be that bad.

And bear in mind I usually don't just build a system and scarper. I am usually working on/supporting that system well after it's live so I would be aware of data problems as I'm working with that same data myself constantly for testing etc.

Edited to add: But then I do tend to work for blue chips where systems tend to get built by more professional developers. I accept it could be an entirely different case for smaller companies.

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This is all really just the continuation of a very British or Anglo cultural viewpoint, we have debased almost everything. We no longer see quality, only cost - we no longer see value (which is the cost/benefit of quality over value) only cheapness - the bottom line. We have also become incredibly short-term in our thinking, looking for the quick buck so we can get out of the rat-race and leave the mess for someone else to sort out.

As a nation we have done this to ourselves - it is now endemic in our society. As goes IT, it was obvious pure technology was being commodotized when you started seeing adverts everywhere for 'IT' courses so anyone could get their dream 30k job.

How we turn this around, I'm no longer sure.

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I must say I would find it really difficult to sign a petition to support someone to get a £450 per day job which is what's being asked and also why there is a lot of bad feeling on this board.

Wickywackywoo, do you really think you are worth £450 per day when there are Indians willing to do the same job for a fraction of the price? :rolleyes:

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There will ALWAYS be a Market for UK based Contractors. OK some of the technical roles can be outsourced.

1)Are you telling me that a Project Manager, Business Analyst, Systems Analyst or a Specialist third line software support role is going to be outsourced to India?

2) Corporate environments are generally populated by Sycophantic, Parasitic staff members - interested only in clinging to their jobs as long as possible. Generally dumping all the real work on to contractors, cherry picking their work, and avoiding the awkward jobs.

We contractors should celebrate this behaviour from our permanent colleagues because this guarantees us a long and lucrative career contracting.

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I must say I would find it really difficult to sign a petition to support someone to get a £450 per day job which is what's being asked and also why there is a lot of bad feeling on this board.

Wickywackywoo, do you really think you are worth £450 per day when there are Indians willing to do the same job for a fraction of the price? :rolleyes:

I don't get £450 per day and I don't know any contractors that do. Most get what I would consider a decent wage and what most of you would consider a small fortune.

If you don't want to sign it, then, as has been said on numerous occasions, don't.

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There will ALWAYS be a Market for UK based Contractors. OK some of the technical roles can be outsourced.

1)Are you telling me that a Project Manager, Business Analyst, Systems Analyst or a Specialist third line software support role is going to be outsourced to India?

2) Corporate environments are generally populated by Sycophantic, Parasitic staff members - interested only in clinging to their jobs as long as possible. Generally dumping all the real work on to contractors, cherry picking their work, and avoiding the awkward jobs.

We contractors should celebrate this behaviour from our permanent colleagues because this guarantees us a long and lucrative career contracting.

You've got some good points there.

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:lol::lol::rolleyes:

Of course we're talking about exclusion of foreigners, that's what an immigration policy is all about. You know, as practised by the most backward jingoistic countries in the world.

You do make yourself look stupid sometimes.

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Which political party do you think is the best ideological fit with this petition?

I'm guessing the only party leader who'd add their name to it would be the one I've suggested. Behind the rhetoric I doubt even old British jobs for.. would actually be interested in it.

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Which political party do you think is the best ideological fit with this petition?

I'm guessing the only party leader who'd add their name to it would be the one I've suggested. Behind the rhetoric I doubt even old British jobs for.. would actually be interested in it.

Looks like most of the countries in the world fit your description then.

I think most of you might be surprised by the Conservatives when they get in. They learnt not to talk about immigration/cutting public services etc because of people like you. When they get in my bet is they start reversing some of this damage. Cameron might be a pillock but not everybody in the party will be. Some will be able to exercise common sense and see that business can't have it all at the expense of everybody else.

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Looks like most of the countries in the world fit your description then.

I think most of you might be surprised by the Conservatives when they get in. They learnt not to talk about immigration/cutting public services etc because of people like you. When they get in my bet is they start reversing some of this damage. Cameron might be a pillock but not everybody in the party will be. Some will be able to exercise common sense and see that business can't have it all at the expense of everybody else.

Allow me this time

:rolleyes:

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There will ALWAYS be a Market for UK based Contractors. OK some of the technical roles can be outsourced.

1)Are you telling me that a Project Manager, Business Analyst, Systems Analyst or a Specialist third line software support role is going to be outsourced to India?

2) Corporate environments are generally populated by Sycophantic, Parasitic staff members - interested only in clinging to their jobs as long as possible. Generally dumping all the real work on to contractors, cherry picking their work, and avoiding the awkward jobs.

We contractors should celebrate this behaviour from our permanent colleagues because this guarantees us a long and lucrative career contracting.

Yes, there always will be a market for contractors, but it may never be as big as it has been which means that a proportion of contractors won't be having a long lucrative career.

If you want meritocracy and are as good as you rate yourself you probably will have successful career as a contractor but there are plenty of contractors who's work can be done by Indians for a fraction of the price. Like I said earlier you would have to be able to do the work of 10 Indians to justify the difference in cost so you would have to be very good or be able to do work that the Indians can't do.

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I take it you do read this forum as well as posting. ;)

Should Tesco close all its foreign stores immediately?

FWIW my answer would be 'No', but I don't see how the question is relevant to the discussion; Tesco presumably plays on the same playing field as its competitors, in whatever territory they're competing.

Do you at least acknowledge that the UK labourer is at a competitive disadvantage because of high UK property prices?

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