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Retailers want a scrappage scheme for fridges

From The Times August 17, 2009

Retailers are seeking a scrappage project for domestic appliances such as fridges. The British Retail Consortium (BRC) said that a plan similar to the “cash for bangers†scheme for the car trade would protect jobs and help Britain to hit carbon emission targets by encouraging people to switch to more energy-efficient white goods. It is also calling for tax relief on energyefficient items.

Sales of big-ticket electrical items have fallen during the recession. DSG, the owner of Currys, the electrical goods chain, lost £140 million in its latest year, after a 9 per cent fall in like-for-like sales.

Stephen Robertson, the director-general of the BRC, said: “The Government is working against its own objectives when it sets targets for reducing carbon emisssions while charging full VAT on the efficient products that will move us towards those targets ... Removing VAT and exploring the possibility of a scrappage scheme would do a lot to get old energy and water-squandering appliances out of people’s homes.â€

The BRC says that its idea would cost £507 million a year in forgone VAT, equivalent to two weeks of the bill for cutting VAT from 17.5 per cent to 15 per cent last year. Removing VAT from the most energy-efficient goods would cut domestic emissions by 1 per cent, according to work done by the Centre for Economic and Business Research for the BRC.

Britain has pledged to reduce its carbon emissions by 34 per cent below 1990 levels by 2020.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi...icle6798297.ece

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Removing VAT from the most energy-efficient goods would cut domestic emissions by 1 per cent, according to work done by the Centre for Economic and Business Research for the BRC.

Wow!! :rolleyes:

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Christ, more zombie retailers grasping for life support. I would really, really love to see Curry's and PC world implode during this recession.

How many fridge manufacturers are there in the UK?

Serious question - if the answer is 'none' (for consumer fridges at least), then we are talking about saving some retail jobs at best. What distinguishes fridges (or cars, for that matter) from any other consumer product? The jobs we should be trying to save are what's left in manufacturing.

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Once you start..... you just can't stop! :lol::lol:

Sad - the market is getting more and more manipulated - and when the stimulus (read subsidy) ends then the real inflation will become apparent as manufacturers and retailers raise prices to compensate.

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Christ, more zombie retailers grasping for life support. I would really, really love to see Curry's and PC world implode during this recession.

DSG are a dead dog and will probably go under within the next 6 months, ask any credit insurer

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They have this in Japan, they've started issuing people with eco-cards to buy new TV's and appliances on environmental grounds, it's basically functioning as a virtual (helicopter) currency, however it's now being accepted in casinos, lol.

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Christ, more zombie retailers grasping for life support. I would really, really love to see Curry's and PC world implode during this recession.

Me too. Anyone that extorts money by charging £20 for a USB cable or £50 for a HDMI cable (last time I visited a store) deserves it.

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How many fridge manufacturers are there in the UK?

Serious question - if the answer is 'none' (for consumer fridges at least), then we are talking about saving some retail jobs at best. What distinguishes fridges (or cars, for that matter) from any other consumer product? The jobs we should be trying to save are what's left in manufacturing.

But think of all the Kia and Hynudai jobs that have been saved by 'cash for bangers'.

I'm sure all those KOREAN workers are very grateful to have been subsidised by the BRITISH taxpayer.

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It takes ALOT of carbon to scrap and make a new fridge, it would be better to use a less efficient fridge for 5/10 years longer rather than buy a new one!

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It takes ALOT of carbon to scrap and make a new fridge, it would be better to use a less efficient fridge for 5/10 years longer rather than buy a new one!

Its crazy isn't it, same goes for scrapping cars and making new ones, but the government would rather subsidise a new purchase, often one made on credit. And there was me thinking that people taking out too much credit was what got us in to this mess.

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It takes ALOT of carbon to scrap and make a new fridge, it would be better to use a less efficient fridge for 5/10 years longer rather than buy a new one!

Customers are always telling me that they never leave their TVs in standby, because it saves energy. Meanwhile, parked on the drive is a 2.5 litre 4 x 4 and a caravan. If they didn`t go on holiday for just 1 year, they`d probably save enough energy to keep the whole street`s TV`s in standby for a lifetime.

Quite a few people save even more electricity by unplugging their Sky Box/DVD Recorder/Freeview Box every night. This will often lead to premature failure of these devices. How much carbon is produced by a replacement item, or repair to that item ?

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Removing VAT from the most energy-efficient goods would cut domestic emissions by 1 per cent, according to work done by the Centre for Economic and Business Research for the BRC.

Wow!! :rolleyes:

And the cost to the environment of manufacturing and shipping all these white goods and disposing of the old ones is like about zero then :unsure:

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And the cost to the environment of manufacturing and shipping all these white goods and disposing of the old ones is like about zero then :unsure:

fly tipping is free.

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How many fridge manufacturers are there in the UK?

Serious question - if the answer is 'none' (for consumer fridges at least), then we are talking about saving some retail jobs at best. What distinguishes fridges (or cars, for that matter) from any other consumer product? The jobs we should be trying to save are what's left in manufacturing.

This is the harsh reality of the UK economy. A destroyed industrial base, retailers and dodgy bankers. All relaint on HPI.

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Me too. Anyone that extorts money by charging £20 for a USB cable or £50 for a HDMI cable (last time I visited a store) deserves it.

I saw a £129 SCART lead once. Lovely packaging mind you.

RJ45 cables at £15 are another shocker.

I have on occasion seen people clearly considering to buy these things and I've offered them one for free.

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I saw a £129 SCART lead once. Lovely packaging mind you.

RJ45 cables at £15 are another shocker.

I have on occasion seen people clearly considering to buy these things and I've offered them one for free.

Amateur!

Check out http://www.russandrews.com/

He is the master of hifi snake oil.

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we used to run a scrappage scheme for banks...it was called default....not allowed any more...just bring your old scrap MBS, CDO and other valueless financial "securites" for fresh new, debt free cash.

Apply at the Bank of England, side door....Ask for Merv.

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Quite a few people save even more electricity by unplugging their Sky Box/DVD Recorder/Freeview Box every night. This will often lead to premature failure of these devices.

Why? Are we talking about people who are too stupid to re-enter configuration settings after a power loss, think that the whole machine is sodomised and throw it away and get a new one?

I fail to see how a device could fail more quickly when it is powered up for 12 hours a day than 24. If anything, I would expect the opposite to be true. In particular, the transformer coils in the power supplies for low wattage devices generate a lot of heat, and I'd have thought that the more hours they're running for, the quicker they'll wear out.

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How many fridge manufacturers are there in the UK?

Serious question - if the answer is 'none' (for consumer fridges at least), then we are talking about saving some retail jobs at best. What distinguishes fridges (or cars, for that matter) from any other consumer product? The jobs we should be trying to save are what's left in manufacturing.

I'm in the domestic appliance repair trade, nothing is manafactured in this country anymore.

It's because of the like of currys etc that the repair trade and sole traders of electrical good were nearly wiped out, i for one would be glad to see them suffer.

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Up here in Scotland Diagio are shutting a whisky bottling plant, hic, can we have a scrappage scheme for whisky, hic, I'm prepared to my bit, hic.

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Why? Are we talking about people who are too stupid to re-enter configuration settings after a power loss, think that the whole machine is sodomised and throw it away and get a new one?

I fail to see how a device could fail more quickly when it is powered up for 12 hours a day than 24. If anything, I would expect the opposite to be true. In particular, the transformer coils in the power supplies for low wattage devices generate a lot of heat, and I'd have thought that the more hours they're running for, the quicker they'll wear out.

Thermal expansion and cooling weakening solder joints, possibly making connectors move around potentially too and creep, inrush currents, fans clogging as dust settles then gets stirred up again (or not as the case may be), switch / contact wear as arcing occurs. Probably missed a few other issues as well.

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