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Complete mis-representation of NHS on far-right TV show

Neatly sums-up why our own NHS and public-service broadcasting are so much better than their respective US models - no fair representation and no fair debate in the land of the free.

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Complete mis-representation of NHS on far-right TV show

Neatly sums-up why our own NHS and public-service broadcasting are so much better than their respective US models - no fair representation and no fair debate in the land of the free.

He's now been slapped down by Lansley and Cameron.

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he is kind of true, there have been pay rises, and we have doctors on HPC who tell us they now work less hours because they dont need to work as hard. Personally I think the NHS is better than the US system, but the NHS certainly isn't the best heath system in there world, there are problems with both, both are bad for different reasons.

How do you fix the NHS system?

How do you fix the US system?

Throwing money at the problem doesn't solve the problem, its like throwing money at the population it just makes things more expensive. Oh there is also another post on hannon on the main forum,but it is interesting that hannon is being slapped down hard on this. It looks like this interview wasn't as thought out as previous interviews, he should have cited some of the benefits of the NHS before laying into the disadvantages and proposing an alternative solution.

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Neatly sums-up why our own NHS and public-service broadcasting are so much better than their respective US models - no fair representation and no fair debate in the land of the free.

Yikes, did I imagine this? A post on HPC supporting the BBC!

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why would the yanks want the quality of british NHS teeth forced upon them ?

Seen some yank raise this on tv last night, how some poor sod had to travel miles to get a dentist. Failed to point out that it was an NHS dentist (and therefore free at point) they required, and that if they followed the US system, he could pick any dentist he want's and just stump up the cash.

The NHS, for al it's faults, is still far superior to the US model.... If we could get rid of 2-3 layers of management/bean counters, it would be a world class leader.

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why would the yanks want the quality of british NHS teeth forced upon them ?

Do we really have bad teeth as a nation? I find this stereotype odd!

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Complete mis-representation of NHS on far-right TV show

Neatly sums-up why our own NHS and public-service broadcasting are so much better than their respective US models - no fair representation and no fair debate in the land of the free.

Strange - I agree with every word he says. Could you explain what your issue is?

I know a lady who has been refused access via the NHS to a drug that might fight her breast cancer due to 'cost'. I also know of a woman who got a breast augmentation on the NHS as she was 'depressed' & a man who had free reduction surgery on his ears as he felt they were too big & put girls off him. Fancy defending that?

The NHS is largely appalling in every area; on the very few ocassions I have used it I have walked away shaking my head at the poor treatment I recieved & I now have to pay twice for my health care - once in taxation & once in cash to medical practioners who know what they're doing & treat me with courtesy & respect as a CUSTOMER.

And don't get me onto Blair/Brown's sheer idiocy in thinking if they throw more & more (of my) money at it it will fix the inefficiency, attitude & unfairness inherent in this Socialist nightmare of an organisation. It was a lovely idea 60 years ago but now it's a ridiculous anachronism.

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Seen some yank raise this on tv last night, how some poor sod had to travel miles to get a dentist. Failed to point out that it was an NHS dentist (and therefore free at point) they required, and that if they followed the US system, he could pick any dentist he want's and just stump up the cash.

The NHS, for al it's faults, is still far superior to the US model.... If we could get rid of 2-3 layers of management/bean counters, it would be a world class leader.

I'd rather have the NHS than the US system. Republicans shd get their facts right, some of the stuff that has been said is outrageous and some has been outright lies.

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Seen some yank raise this on tv last night, how some poor sod had to travel miles to get a dentist. Failed to point out that it was an NHS dentist (and therefore free at point) they required, and that if they followed the US system, he could pick any dentist he want's and just stump up the cash.

Eh? You're wrong. The guy had no choice but to travel miles to attend a dentist he had ALREADY paid for via taxation. The American guy can choose where/when/how then pay for what he requires, whether to go for the cheaper option etc.

I wish people wouldn't refer to the NHS as 'free'. It's so stupid.

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Eh? You're wrong. The guy had no choice but to travel miles to attend a dentist he had ALREADY paid for via taxation. The American guy can choose where/when/how then pay for what he requires, whether to go for the cheaper option etc.

I wish people wouldn't refer to the NHS as 'free'. It's so stupid.

for which he'd have to pay approximately 50% more than the amount taken via taxation if we used the US model.

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Do we really have bad teeth as a nation? I find this stereotype odd!

The Americans have an obsession with cosmetic dentistry. To see how completely this fashion has overtaken their way of thinking take a look at any Hollywood movie from the 30s/40s/50s - people such as Bogart would not even be permitted to appear on screen now.

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Eh? You're wrong. The guy had no choice but to travel miles to attend a dentist he had ALREADY paid for via taxation. The American guy can choose where/when/how then pay for what he requires, whether to go for the cheaper option etc.

I wish people wouldn't refer to the NHS as 'free'. It's so stupid.

http://rolandhulme.blogspot.com/2009/06/ho...-care-cost.html

As far as I am concerned our system works fine. I contribute towards a national service which guarantees me and my family a good level of "free at the point of deliver" cover and for a small amount extra per month I can get private top up insurance for BUPA etc.

At the moment I am well down on my contributions versus paybacks, and if that is the case all my life I'll be delighted.

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Like you I pay for private health insurance.

Unlike you I don't begrudge paying again for the NHS via my taxes.

I have used both private and NHS services- and there is very little result in the important bit- the actual heathcare part.

Going private allows you to see a consultant very quickly- but it's normally the SAME consultant you would have seen on the NHS anyway.

The last private hospital I was admitted to was as dirty and dog eared as the NHS accident and emergency department I was admitted to first.

I arrived in A&E and waited a couple of hours. The doctor wanted to book me in for the operation at 7.30am the next morning. Foolishly I elected to go Private- I waited a week to see a consultant, another 3 days to be booked into a private hospital- then I waited from lunchtime till 10pm to have the operation.

In my case the NHS would have been A LOT quicker. Having had a previous, similar operation on the NHS I can tell you that the surgery I had as a private customer WAS NOT as good as the first NHS one. I get recurring pain from the second operation and none from the first.

Hannan is a tit- as a highly paid MEP he's probably never had to use the NHS.

Broadcasting his opinions on Fascist FOX news plays into the hands of mean, selfish Yanks who don't care if poor people live or die.

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for which he'd have to pay approximately 50% more than the amount taken via taxation if we used the US model.

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I lived in the States for a year & found dental care pretty cheap & very professional. In the UK I use a private plan based on the US insurance model (Denplan, £170 pa) & it's brilliant.

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Complete mis-representation of NHS on far-right TV show

Neatly sums-up why our own NHS and public-service broadcasting are so much better than their respective US models - no fair representation and no fair debate in the land of the free.

Not quite. When you see him on Fox News then you know they will be pushing a right wing agenda. Take it or leave it at least you know where their loyalties lie. Everything the BBC does is 'impartial', but is it really? I know what I would rather have.

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Strange - I agree with every word he says. Could you explain what your issue is?

I know a lady who has been refused access via the NHS to a drug that might fight her breast cancer due to 'cost'. I also know of a woman who got a breast augmentation on the NHS as she was 'depressed' & a man who had free reduction surgery on his ears as he felt they were too big & put girls off him. Fancy defending that?

The NHS is largely appalling in every area; on the very few ocassions I have used it I have walked away shaking my head at the poor treatment I recieved & I now have to pay twice for my health care - once in taxation & once in cash to medical practioners who know what they're doing & treat me with courtesy & respect as a CUSTOMER.

And don't get me onto Blair/Brown's sheer idiocy in thinking if they throw more & more (of my) money at it it will fix the inefficiency, attitude & unfairness inherent in this Socialist nightmare of an organisation. It was a lovely idea 60 years ago but now it's a ridiculous anachronism.

How many of those medical practitioners you visit are subsidised by the NHS / how many people who go private end-up in a 'socialised' NHS hospital when their operations go wrong/have complications which their private health care facility cannot offer. We have a mixed-economy medicine in the UK and whilst many people could cite faults with its delivery there are few apart from the libertarians who believe that the mess in the US is better.

Hannan is a loose-cannon working on his own agenda. He completely mis-representated the state of medicine in the UK to a series of right-wing prime-time shows who needed a mouthpiece to peddle their ideology, had he fairly represented the NHS and his own ideological objections their would have been no reason for Cameron to slap him down.

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I quite agree that the notion, so embedded in the national psyche, that the NHS is free is as delusional as the belief that we live in the world's best democracy.

The NHS is a grotesque sacred cow that should have been slaughtered years ago but it continues to lurch on, fattened on swards of taxes reaped from the poor and rich alike, all because it is so totemic no political party can risk chopping it down. It is a beast and the emblem for the wretched socialists and their ghastly welfare system, every bit as doomed as the Communist experiments of Russia et al but unlike the latter we have an economy that continues to sustain our stupidity.

If we were free to spend personally what we have poured into the maw of the Beast we would all have access to a system far superior to the car accident we currently endure.

Kill the Beast,Kill the Beast,Kill the Beast.

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The NHS certainly has its faults, but it is still better than privatised healthcare. The entire health system in the united states is geared towards making a profit. Doctors and managers earn massive salaries. Administration costs in the US health care system cost about $400bn, or about 25% of total health care spending. The private healthcare companies make massive profits at the expense of the people and they decide what treatment the patient gets. Doctors rely on them to refer patients and are forced to reduce costs by using cheaper alternatives. Private healthcare may be great in terms of reduced waiting times and better 'customer' service, but it does not mean that the treatment is any better. We will realise the true value of the NHS only when it is gone, which will happen soon.

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I quite agree that the notion, so embedded in the national psyche, that the NHS is free is as delusional as the belief that we live in the world's best democracy.

The NHS is a grotesque sacred cow that should have been slaughtered years ago but it continues to lurch on, fattened on swards of taxes reaped from the poor and rich alike, all because it is so totemic no political party can risk chopping it down. It is a beast and the emblem for the wretched socialists and their ghastly welfare system, every bit as doomed as the Communist experiments of Russia et al but unlike the latter we have an economy that continues to sustain our stupidity.

If we were free to spend personally what we have poured into the maw of the Beast we would all have access to a system far superior to the car accident we currently endure.

Kill the Beast,Kill the Beast,Kill the Beast.

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