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We have made enquiries about a couple of vacancies on the Jobcentre Plus system. I could go on about the awfulness of all that, but I'll resist and get to the main point: the jobs did not exist !

What happens is that you get some woolly story about this being a prospective business, ie someone is thinking of setting up or relocating in the area, and are collecting cvs to see what response they get. Pie in the sky jobs. Also easily fiddled by the government.

I imagine these vacancies count towards the "number of vacancies in the economy" statistics !

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We have made enquiries about a couple of vacancies on the Jobcentre Plus system. I could go on about the awfulness of all that, but I'll resist and get to the main point: the jobs did not exist !

What happens is that you get some woolly story about this being a prospective business, ie someone is thinking of setting up or relocating in the area, and are collecting cvs to see what response they get. Pie in the sky jobs. Also easily fiddled by the government.

I imagine these vacancies count towards the "number of vacancies in the economy" statistics !

I could go into some depth about why they do this.

If its an agent, they do it to get CVs in. If its an employer, they do this to fish for CVs from talented people made redundant.

Under the Data Protection Act 1998 it is almost certainly unlawful though, because the agent or employer is obtaining personal information (your CV) under a false pretence (of offering you a job). If you want, you can use this to get to the bottom of the issue - I have but only when I was pretty certain that a recruitment agent was lying to me.

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That'd be interesting, if Jobcentre Plus was acting unlawfully under the Data Protection Act...

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Note too advertisements for drivers / driving instructors; no experience necessary. Just phone the

premium rate number. Shocking infiltration of a public service.

Edited by Laughing Gnome

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This was was the case in the 1990's. You would go into the jobcentre, pick 3 jobs off the boards and que up to see someone.

Who would then tell you that the job had been filled or some such excuse.

If on the odd occasion you got an interview, the employer would tell you that there was no job and they didnt really want anyone.

I remember my Dad used to go for jobs and when after messing him around for hours finaly got around to telling him that they

didnt really want anyone, he would really lay into them.

With which the employer used to get back to the Job center and say that he had a bad attitude.

And they would put the job back on the board.

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Same as it ever was.

I do wonder if maybe with more middle class people being on the dole this might get looked at.

There was a brief outburst of rage with the inefficiency of job centres earlier this year... they are actually better than they used to be, but of course its news to the home counties dwelling Telegraph reader who went through the 80s thinking people without jobs were just lazy.

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We have made enquiries about a couple of vacancies on the Jobcentre Plus system. I could go on about the awfulness of all that, but I'll resist and get to the main point: the jobs did not exist !

What happens is that you get some woolly story about this being a prospective business, ie someone is thinking of setting up or relocating in the area, and are collecting cvs to see what response they get. Pie in the sky jobs. Also easily fiddled by the government.

I imagine these vacancies count towards the "number of vacancies in the economy" statistics !

Dont worry the Government have it all in hand:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society...s-200907311947/

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The old Jobcentres were grim, but Jobcentre Plus.....the horror.....the horror.

When you walk in, there are car-salesmen type people stood around beaming away. They don't do anything, you just go and use the terminals (chance #1 to catch swineflu) to use the website. It seems people on benefits get an "SOC" number to put in the system when searching.

If you search "local jobs", you still get jobs listed from hundreds of miles away. Should you find a job you are interested in, the car-salesmen are not interested, they send you over to the phones (chance #2 to catch swineflu) to phone Jobcentre Direct.

What do these staff actually do? I mean, they could be sanitising the terminal buttons and the phones, but they're too busy smiling :)

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Note too advertisements for drivers / driving instructors; no experience necessary. Just phone the

premium rate number. Shocking infiltration of a public service.

The irony of this is that if you decide to go ahead and train as a driving instructor, you are no longer entitled to JSA because you're not spending 24/7 looking for a job, you are studying for some of that time. I know someone who it happened to. What a great way of getting people back into jobs.

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Point is that if someone's made redundant, they should be able to go along to their job centre and seek local jobs advice. So, if a car manufacturing plant has just shut down, there should be someone on hand who know where local employers are investing in and what skills they would need. Jobseeker gets put on an immediate training course to fulfil that need.

Instead they're a joke. Most employers I know would never take an application seriously that came from the Job Centre. That's not their fault, it's the fault of the system. So all you get is low skill, minimum wage jobs available, which does nothing for the jobseeker's morale. There are no opportunities for retraining, no insight into the local jobs market. Really a poor ROI for someone who's been paying 'insurance' for 20 years then find themselves up against the ropes unexpectedly.

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The irony of this is that if you decide to go ahead and train as a driving instructor, you are no longer entitled to JSA because you're not spending 24/7 looking for a job, you are studying for some of that time. I know someone who it happened to. What a great way of getting people back into jobs.

Its reduced on a sliding scale, up to 16 hours a week of training\work\education. Any more than that and you get zero.

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Note too advertisements for drivers / driving instructors; no experience necessary. Just phone the

premium rate number. Shocking infiltration of a public service.

"This is a self-employed vacancy. ADI or PDI qualified driving instructors required. Must have held a UK or European licence for 4 years with no more than 6 points. Duties include teaching students to drive. No financial outlay is required from applicants. Successful applicants are required to provide an enhanced disclosure. Disclosure expense will be met by the employer. Self-employed people are responsible for paying their own National Insurance contributions and Tax. For information on how benefits are affected, and whether entitlement may be lost, speak to a Jobcentre Plus Adviser. The company has given an assurance that this vacancy enables workers to achieve a wage equivalent to the National Minimum Wage rate. Exempted vacancy - employment equality act (age) regulations 2006."

Also the other jobs, same every week, month and year.

Work from home (self employed)

Mystery Shopper

Meter Reader

Leaflet Delivery (works out about £3ph or min wage if you can reach 1 house every 5 seconds.)

Cleaner (agency provide 12 hours, 8pm till 8am, £6ph minus uniform cleaning and equipment costs.)

Door to Door Sales (self employed, pay for own stock scam)

Customer Researcher, Leafleter

Charity Street Team (muggers)

Model Male/Female (porn or maybe the charge for portfolio photos scam .)

Driving Instructor (You pay for training and car, self employed)

Telephone Sales (double glazing)

7.5 Tonne Delivery Driver £7ph so woefully underpaid.

"Must have SIA license or we can train you"

Doorman/Night Security/Site Security/Store Security etc, (they charge £150 for SIA license training , they don't really have any jobs after that)

There are some which ask for 10 years experience in gas flux welding

or 5 years electrical repair and they still only pay 15K with no extras.

Those are the ones I feel sorry for.

Edited by three pint princess

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I don't see the point in forcing people to look for non existent jobs. The jobcenters know what jobs are real and they can call the best qualified personally and geographically from the 1000's they have on there books. If they refuse an interview take a months benefits off them.

The poor demand for employees is not due to a lack of people not wanting work. Its because the economy is disintegrating around us.

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Girl on the telly 3 years unemployed,

Which sadly means she's unemployable or doesn't want a job.

To be unemployed at the peak of consumerism means you're useless.

She has worked on the till in a kebab place and has sent out over 300 CVs.

LOL if your work experience is in a kebab shop you shouldn't have a CV.

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Girl on the telly 3 years unemployed,

That's more to do with the psychological effects of being unemployed, I lost a long term job in textiles, got another one then

the company folded (although we all got paid). Even after a couple of months I find it harder and harder to make an effort.

Just going to work involves getting dressed, washing, shaving, clean clothes, meeting people, friends at work. Without a job

I don't understand how people can keep their motivation up or keep themselves in an employable state.

It's got so bad I buy less at the supermarket so I have to go out more often, and am doing charitable work in IT even though

the travel allowance doesn't cover my costs. :lol:

Edited by three pint princess

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That'd be interesting, if Jobcentre Plus was acting unlawfully under the Data Protection Act...

As an ex DWP employee, I can tell you they do contravene Data Protection regularly, they give your details to potential employers without asking you and then use the clause that you applied for a job through their database. They fiddle the figures all the time. If you appled for 2 part time jobs ( say one of 20 hrs and one of 17 hrs per week) and you get both the jobs, that counts as 2 results even though the jobseeker "signs off" because they are now working "full time".

In my office, my Business Manager asked me to input false figures and I refused to do so. He/She then got someone else to do it. I complained up the line to Secretary of State to no avail. I was told it was a matter for "local management" to resolve.

So BIG BROTHER, If I have contravened the Official Secrets Act, let me know when the court case is!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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