The Us Is Getting Rowdy

[bill still]

Thought you Brits might find it interesting to see where the leading edge of this sort of conversation is here in the U.S. We are hardly lying down or giving up.

GLENN BECK: I got a letter from a woman in Arizona . She writes an open letter to our nation's leadership:

I'm a home grown American citizen, 53, registered Democrat all my life. Before the last presidential election I registered as a Republican because I no longer felt the Democratic Party represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me. Now I no longer feel the Republican Party represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me. The fact is I no longer feel any political party or representative in Washington represents my views or works to pursue the issues important to me. There must be someone. Please tell me who you are. Please stand up and tell me that you are there and that you're willing to fight for our Constitution as it was written. Please stand up now. You might ask yourself what my views and issues are that I would horribly feel so disenfranchised by both major political parties. What kind of nut job am I? Will you please tell me?

Well, these are briefly my views and issues for which I seek representation:

One, illegal immigration. I want you to stop coddling illegal immigrants and secure our borders. Close the underground tunnels. Stop the violence and the trafficking in drugs and people. No amnesty, not again. Been there, done that, no resolution. P.S., I'm not a racist. This isn't to be confused with legal immigration.

Two, the TARP bill, I want it repealed and I want no further funding supplied to it. We told you no, but you did it anyway. I want the remaining unfunded 95% repealed. Freeze, repeal.

Three: Czars, I want the circumvention of our checks and balances stopped immediately. Fire the czars. No more czars. Government officials answer to the process, not to the president. Stop trampling on our Constitution and honor it.

Four, cap and trade. The debate on global warming is not over. There is more to say.

Five, universal healthcare. I will not be rushed into another expensive decision. Don't you dare try to pass this in the middle of the night and then go on break. Slow down!

Six, growing government control. I want states rights and sovereignty fully restored. I want less government in my life, not more. Shrink it down. Mind your own business. You have enough to take care of with your real obligations. Why don't you start there.

Seven, ACORN. I do not want ACORN and its affiliates in charge of our 2010 census. I want them investigated. I also do not want mandatory escrow fees contributed to them every time on every real estate deal that closes. Stop the funding to ACORN and its affiliates pending impartial audits and investigations. I do not trust them with taking the census over with our taxpayer money. I don't trust them with our taxpayer money. Face up to the allegations against them and get it resolved before taxpayers get any more involved with them. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, hello. Stop protecting your political buddies. You work for us, the people. Investigate.

Eight, redistribution of wealth. No, no, no.. I work for my money. It is mine. I have always worked for people with more money than I have because they gave me jobs. That is the only redistribution of wealth that I will support. I never got a job from a poor person. Why do you want me to hate my employers? Why -- what do you have against shareholders making a profit?

Nine, charitable contributions. Although I never got a job from a poor person, I have helped many in need. Charity belongs in our local communities, where we know our needs best and can use our local talent and our local resources. Butt out, please. We want to do it ourselves.

Ten, corporate bailouts. Knock it off. Sink or swim like the rest of us. If there are hard times ahead, we'll be better off just getting into it and letting the strong survive. Quick and painful. Have you ever ripped off a Band-Aid? We will pull together. Great things happen in America under great hardship. Give us the chance to innovate. We cannot disappoint you more than you have disappointed us.

Eleven, transparency and accountability. How about it? No, really, how about it? Let's have it. Let's say we give the buzzwords a rest and have some straight honest talk. Please try -- please stop manipulating and trying to appease me with clever wording. I am not the idiot you obviously take me for. Stop sneaking around and meeting in back rooms making deals with your friends. It will only be a prelude to your criminal investigation. Stop hiding things from me.

Twelve, unprecedented quick spending. Stop it now.

Take a breath. Listen to the people. Let's just slow down and get some input from some nonpoliticians on the subject. Stop making everything an emergency. Stop speed reading our bills into law. I am not an activist.. I am not a community organizer. Nor am I a terrorist, a militant or a violent person. I am a parent and a grandparent. I work. I'm busy. I'm busy. I am busy, and I am tired. I thought we elected competent people to take care of the busines s of government so that we could work, raise our families, pay our bills, have a little recreation, complain about taxes, endure our hardships, pursue our personal goals, cut our lawn, wash our cars on the weekends and be responsible contributing members of society and teach our childre n to be the same all while living in the home of the free and land of the brave.

I entrusted you with upholding the Constitution. I believed in the checks and balances to keep from getting far off course. What happened? You are very far off course. Do you really think I find humor in the hiring of a speed reader to unintelligently ramble all through a bill that you signed into law without knowing what it contained? I do not. It is a mockery of the responsibility I have entrusted to you. It is a slap in the face. I am not laughing at your arrogance. Why is it that I feel as if you would not trust me to make a single decision about my own life and how I would live it but you should expect that I should trust you with the debt that you have laid on all of us and our children. We did not want the TARP bill. We said no. We would repeal it if we could. I am sure that we s till cannot. There is such urgency and recklessness in all of the recent spending.

From my perspective, it seems that all of you have gone insane. I also know that I am far from alone in these feelings. Do you honestly feel that your current pursuits have merit to patriotic Americans? We want it to stop. We want to put the brakes on everything that is being rushed by us and forced upon us. We want our voice back. You have forced us to put our lives on hold to straighten out the mess that you are making. We will have to give up our vacations, our time spent with our children, any relaxation time we may have had and money we cannot afford to spend on you to bring our concerns to Washington . Our president knows the right buzzword is unsustainable. Well, no kidding. How many tens of thousand s of dollars did the focus group cost to come up with that word? We don't want your overpriced words. Stop treating us like we're morons.

We want all of you to stop focusing on your reelection and do the job we want done, not the job you want done or the job your party wants done. You work for us and at this rate I guarantee you not for long because we are coming. We will be heard and we will be represented. You think we're so busy with our lives that we will never come for you? We are the formerly silent majority, all of us who quietly work , pay taxes, obey the law, vote, save money, keep our noses to the grindstone and we are now looking up at you. You have awakened us, the patriotic spirit so strong and so powerful that it had been sleeping too long. You have pushed us too f ar. Our numbers are great. They may surprise you. For every one of us who will be there, there will be hundreds more that could not come. Unlike you, we have their trust. We will represent them honestly, rest assured. They will be at the polls on voting day to usher you out of office. We have cancelled vacations. We will use our last few dollars saved. We will find the representation among us and a grassroots campaign will flourish. We didn't ask for this fight. But the gloves are coming off. We do not come in violence, but we are angry. You will represent us or you will be replaced with someone who will. There are candidates among us when he will rise like a Phoenix from the ashes that you have made of our constitution..

Democrat, Republican, independent, libertarian. Understand this. We don't care. Political parties are meaningless to us. Patriotic Americans are willing to do right by us and our Constitution and that is all that matters to us now. We are going to fire all of you who abuse power and seek more. It is not your power. It is ours and we want it back. We entrusted you with it and you abused it. You are dishonorable. You are dishonest. As Americans we are ashamed of you. You have brought shame to us. If you are not representing the wants and needs of your constituency loudly and consistently, in spite of t he objections of your party, you will be fired. Did you hear? We no longer care about your political parties. You need to be loyal to us, not to them. Because we will get you fired and they will not save you. If you do or can represent me, my issues, my views, please stand up. Make your identity known. You need to make some noise about it. Speak up. I need to know who you are. If you do not speak up, you will be herded out with the rest of the sheep and we will replace the whole damn congress if need be one by one. We are coming. Are we coming for you? Who do you represent? What do you represent? Listen. Because we are coming. We the people are coming.

[crashpope]

a letter from a woman in Arizona

Mrs Trellis!

(but more incoherent)

[MOP]

It's starting to heat up in the US. Have look at the videos in this thread from last week:

Town Halls Gone Wild-Congressmen fearful for their safety.

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/ind...=121483&hl=

[Minos]

Did you see on Fox that chap who challenged some Senator at a town hall meeting about the health care bill. Had some goon from the government sent round at night to threaten him and his family.

The guy has been on TV and said he had informed the police (who he said have been real gentlemen) of the threat made. He also said if this government goon comes round to his home again he will use lethal force and kill him. Fantastic. I love Americans and the French!!!

[MOP]

Did you see on Fox that chap who challenged some Senator at a town hall meeting about the health care bill. Had some goon from the government sent round at night to threaten him and his family.

The guy has been on TV and said he had informed the police (who he said have been real gentlemen) of the threat made. He also said if this government goon comes round to his home again he will use lethal force and kill him. Fantastic. I love Americans and the French!!!

That must be on youtube by now. I would like to see that.

[Minos]

That must be on youtube by now. I would like to see that.

Click Here MOP

[MOP]

It's starting to heat up in the US. Have look at the videos in this thread from last week:

Town Halls Gone Wild-Congressmen fearful for their safety.

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/ind...=121483&hl=

For those who can't be arsed looking, here are the videos (all taken in the last 2 or 3 weeks) :

Crowd Explodes When Senator Arlen Specter Urges That We "Do This Fast" At Town Hall

Obama Booed at All-Star Game In St. Louis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXuigXfhwC0

Rep. Lloyd Dogget chased away from town hall meeting by crowds

US Soldier Demands Apology From Senator Claire McCaskill at Town Hall

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y98HxYbsdBM

Congressman Russ Carnahan getting heckled during a town hall

Doug at Town Hall meeting on FOX NEWS - Spending Like Loose Hookers!

Town Hall with Rep. Pete Sessions

Edited August 11, 2009 by MOP

[Charterhouse]

That woman sounds like a nutter.

[MOP]

Protester Beaten by Union Members at St. Louis Town Hall For Handing Out "Don't Tread On Me" Flags- Recounts Assault

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCpPkJ_mN90

[Lander]

Martial law coming soon me thinks to keep these 'terrorists' in line

[Guest UK Debt Slave]

That woman sounds like a nutter.

Sounds quite normal to me.

If there's gonna be a revolution of any kind, it'll happen in America.

The British are just to used to socialism

[Meerkat]

If there's gonna be a revolution of any kind, it'll happen in America.

Completely agree - if it happens anywhere, it will be the US.

[MOP]

Sounds quite normal to me.

If there's gonna be a revolution of any kind, it'll happen in America.

The British are just to used to socialism

A poster depicting President Barack Obama as Heath Ledger's "Joker" character from "The Dark Knight" has sparked controversy after it appeared on the streets of Los Angeles.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...-as-racist.html

[markinspain]

Thought you Brits might find it interesting to see where the leading edge of this sort of conversation is here in the U.S. We are hardly lying down or giving up.

Thanks for the link. I'm surprised the government didn't say he was a racist. From all the videos that are flying round the net at the moment it seems that the 'R' word is being used as the way to stop criticism. Everyday it becomes clearer and clearer what a patsy Obama is; to carry on Bush's policies with even more vigour without being criticised.

Do you think it will go as far as armed conflict as some people are saying?

[markinspain]

A poster depicting President Barack Obama as Heath Ledger's "Joker" character from "The Dark Knight" has sparked controversy after it appeared on the streets of Los Angeles.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...-as-racist.html

What they should have done is split the image in two with Bush on the right and Obama on the left and had the comment Fascism/Socialism? what's the difference?

Edited August 11, 2009 by markinspain

[Lander]

Do you think it will go as far as armed conflict as some people are saying?

They are preparing for something along those lines

U.S. Troops And Police Train For Martial Law And Gun Confiscation.

Edited August 11, 2009 by Lander

[bill still]

As an American, No. The sleeping giant has been awakened. 90% of Americans came to these shores to be free. We take this pretty seriously. We'll see though.

Thanks for the link. I'm surprised the government didn't say he was a racist. From all the videos that are flying round the net at the moment it seems that the 'R' word is being used as the way to stop criticism. Everyday it becomes clearer and clearer what a patsy Obama is; to carry on Bush's policies with even more vigour without being criticised.

Do you think it will go as far as armed conflict as some people are saying?

[roman holiday]

A poster depicting President Barack Obama as Heath Ledger's "Joker" character from "The Dark Knight" has sparked controversy after it appeared on the streets of Los Angeles.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...-as-racist.html

Republicans lost the election and near destroyed the economy with their neo-con nonsense.

That poster is nasty stuff... looks like the right is spitting the dummy and doesn't give a stuff about the good of the country.

[TwoWolves]

What they should have done is split the image in two with Bush on the right and Obama on the left and had the comment Fascism/Socialism? what's the difference?

Socialism always leads to Fascism in the end...

Ayn Rand, founder of Objectivism, was a particularly vocal opponent who believed the philosophy of collectivism led to totalitarianism. She argued that "collectivism means the subjugation of the individual to a group," and that "throughout history, no tyrant ever rose to power except on the claim of representing the common good."

[MOP]

Thanks for the link. I'm surprised the government didn't say he was a racist. From all the videos that are flying round the net at the moment it seems that the 'R' word is being used as the way to stop criticism. Everyday it becomes clearer and clearer what a patsy Obama is; to carry on Bush's policies with even more vigour without being criticised.

Do you think it will go as far as armed conflict as some people are saying?

I would like to see them explain how the beaten-up Black guy in post #9 is a white supremacist?

[Laura]

Mrs Trellis!

(but more incoherent)

Dear Mr. Nixon.

I don't think 'Clue' made it to the USA, but you should make it compulsory listening;

especially in churches.

Yours

Mrs. Trellis

EDIT:- I'm not volunteering to explain this to Bill....

Edited August 11, 2009 by Laura

[markinspain]

They are preparing for something along those lines

U.S. Troops And Police Train For Martial Law And Gun Confiscation.

That video's a bit out of date. Got any more up to date proof?

[markinspain]

I would like to see them explain how the beaten-up Black guy in post #9 is a white supremacist?

Yes, but a black person is not allowed to be against Obama (even though he's independent) in this new world order. It seems Obama prefers purple rather than brown for his stormtroopers.

Edited August 11, 2009 by markinspain

[MOP]

Republicans lost the election and near destroyed the economy with their neo-con nonsense.

That poster is nasty stuff... looks like the right is spitting the dummy and doesn't give a stuff about the good of the country.

So the financial meltdown was nothing to do with the democrats then? Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, Glass-Steagall Act etc.

Silly me.

Edited August 11, 2009 by MOP

[D.C.]

Socialism always leads to Fascism in the end...

Ayn Rand, founder of Objectivism, was a particularly vocal opponent who believed the philosophy of collectivism led to totalitarianism. She argued that "collectivism means the subjugation of the individual to a group," and that "throughout history, no tyrant ever rose to power except on the claim of representing the common good."

???

Any evidence to back that up?

I may as well say capitalism always leads to Fascism.

or

SugarPlumFairieism always leads to Fascism.