I_Claudius Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 OK I remember this one (now).Although to be fair we are only talking 115 of the 224 people which took part, which, I guess is 0.5% of the total membership of this website (about 22,000 people). I'm more qualitative than quantitative so perhaps you might be pushing the line a little where you su9gest over half believe 9/11 was an inside job. fair play, that was a bit disingenuous of me and it was meant to be a bit of a pisstake; altho tbf that polls been running a year, there's nothing like 22K active members and polls of 1000 are often used to indicate the entire countries opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Skinty Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 ... bloviating .... Fantastic word! I'll have to remember that one. I think I'll use it with the word bathos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Excuse me, a million dead in Iraq? If anyone is engaged in relativism it's you. A dead Muslim means nothing, a dead westerner demands destruction of half the globe! Muslims kill other muslims every day because they're the wrong shade of muslim. Who cares! The moment 'religion' i.e. idiotic personal beliefs became equivalent to natural phenomena like colour, DNA, sex, age was a stupid one. You may as well pass laws saying it is illegal to challenge the 'rights' of Keynesians, BMW drivers, gardeners or train spotters. It affords them a status which is not merited. Muslims should be vilified in just the same way as Catholics, Keynsians and BMW drivers and have no more or less protection under law, for they merit none. Pakistanis of course should be entitled to the same rights as any other national. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsNoelEdmonds Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 I must be forgetting the recent terrorist atrocities in Britain caused by fundamentalist Christians; do remind me. Birmingham pub bombings, harrods, warrington, brighton.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Birmingham pub bombings, harrods, warrington, brighton.... So you think the IRA / INLA are Christian fundamentalists. Well I disagree. And so would their members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsNoelEdmonds Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 So you think the IRA / INLA are Christian fundamentalists.Well I disagree. And so would their members. The IRA saw their fight as a political cause - as a result of oppression etc... I can kind of see how islamists might feel the same. Far more innocent iraqi's have been killed by 'us' ... The reporting in the media regarding muslim extremists (and I cite the Daily Mail here) isn't very different to the propaganda circulated in germany in the 1930's regarding Jews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 The IRA saw their fight as a political cause - as a result of oppression etc... I can kind of see how islamists might feel the same. Far more innocent iraqi's have been killed by 'us' ...The reporting in the media regarding muslim extremists (and I cite the Daily Mail here) isn't very different to the propaganda circulated in germany in the 1930's regarding Jews. This is getting very tenuous. And I don't see the Jew comparison at all. My starting point is that actually is regular planning and sometimes execution of acts of terrorism by muslims. Not people who "happen to be" muslim, but people who are doing it because they are muslim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsNoelEdmonds Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 How do catholics 'happen to be' catholics but muslims 'are' muslims? What's the difference between the Birmingham pub bombings and the 7/7 attack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 How do catholics 'happen to be' catholics but muslims 'are' muslims? What's the difference between the Birmingham pub bombings and the 7/7 attack? Ronnie Bunting, one of the main driving forces behind the INLA was a Protestant. He joined and was allowed to join and lead the organisation. Hence it was not primarily a religious organisation. Unless you can envisage a seventh day adventist being allowed to lead Al Qaeda. Harking back to my previous Iraq comaprison the fact that the foreign minister was a Christian shows that was primarily a secular nation. Could you see Iran having a Christian in that post? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronnie_Bunting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayder Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Ronnie Bunting, one of the main driving forces behind the INLA was a Protestant.He joined and was allowed to join and lead the organisation. Hence it was not primarily a religious organisation. Unless you can envisage a seventh day adventist being allowed to lead Al Qaeda. Harking back to my previous Iraq comaprison the fact that the foreign minister was a Christian shows that was primarily a secular nation. Could you see Iran having a Christian in that post? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronnie_Bunting one of the main issues of contention that I've had in previous threads was on the gross-generalisation of individuals as "muslims" and placing that as the primary "identification" method upon them regardless of their actual religious persuasion (i.e. atheist/agnostic/non-practicing?) of their political views (liberal, conservative, socialist, fascist etc...). In the nomenclature used on this site in particular there is a generic "borg" called "muslims". Thus within the context of that identification, Iraq is a "muslim" country (97% in fact), and thus the attack (or "crusade" in GW Bush's own words) was an attack by "christians" upon a "muslim" nation as-per-the-HPC definition. CAVEAT. I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE HPC's Stormtroopers "definition" of muslims, I was simply clarifying why (using their logic). the attack n Iraq can be deemed to be an attack by the "christian world" on a "muslim country"... of course I must LOL at those ludicrous assertions, but no matter how much I argued with facts, basically to help them understand the difference between a "muslim" and a "political islamist" I got nowhere... simply speaking, within HPC anyone called mohamed is a "political islamist" even if mohamed is an atheist who votes communist! as for your assertion regarding Iran, I found this after a quick google... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Motamed its a funny old world isn't it... I had a nice debate with AJ on a different thread, and after a quick google found that 60% of "muslims" in the world had democratically elected female heads of state LOOOL. (if i include the indian muslims who voteed for indira ghandi the percentage goes up to abot 75% of muslims in the world! LOOL). Its like using the obnoxious saudi arabia as the "one example" of muslims/arabs. or using the "rothschilds" as an excuse to butcher jews... really, its simply a way finding the worst example individuals, propagandising it out of proportion and vilifying an arbitrarily defined group of people by one variable as the "true cause of all our misery". So because of the rothschilds' bagel bakers were sent to gas chambers. And because of Bin-Laden who knows what will happen... of course such gross-generalisations swing both ways, and especially when speaking of religions as large and diverse as christianity and islam (also judaism, for its diversity rather than its size). Its actually IMPOSSIBLE to come up with a true "stereotype" of those people's behaviour and culture... simply impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkbait Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 i learned a lot from this website, especially about economy and why the econmy are in deep sheeet... most of you have interesting points (economic topics), bear/bull... but what i hate to see here and what puts me off on this forums are the senseless topic about religion, colour, race... both white/coloured and muslim/christians/etc, has tendency to commit athrocities... i do believe that most of this nonsense hatred always (throughout history) seems to be highlighted when there is economic downturn and only used as a scapegoat because its hard for us to admit that most of the people got carried away with the bubble and fooked up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Loblaw Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 i learned a lot from this website, especially about economy and why the econmy are in deep sheeet...most of you have interesting points (economic topics), bear/bull... but what i hate to see here and what puts me off on this forums are the senseless topic about religion, colour, race... both white/coloured and muslim/christians/etc, has tendency to commit athrocities... i do believe that most of this nonsense hatred always (throughout history) seems to be highlighted when there is economic downturn and only used as a scapegoat because its hard for us to admit that most of the people got carried away with the bubble and fooked up? Issues of race, religion and color are important where they have an impact on the economy. Race in particular is an indicator of the effect you have on an economy, either positive or negative. A country as a whole should pull in one direction. When you have certain groups that refuse to pull or even pull in an opposite direction then this needs to be addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anorthosite Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Issues of race, religion and color are important where they have an impact on the economy. Race in particular is an indicator of the effect you have on an economy, either positive or negative. A country as a whole should pull in one direction. When you have certain groups that refuse to pull or even pull in an opposite direction then this needs to be addressed. But right now "pulling together" means buying a house or MEWing and loading up a credit card according to the official line. Who decides what direction a country should pull in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grime- skint wouldbe ftb Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 I bet I know. It's the equivalent of an orange march. Have a protest rally in the middle of a predominantly Asian area who know what's going to happen and are prepared for it. What the hell are you talking about, a "predominantly Asian area"?? You are talking about an English ciity, in the heart of England. Not Bangalore or Lahore or Karachi. They are Asian areas, they are in Asia. Birmingham is English, in England. Never mind whether there is a temporary beach-head where the 5th column has colonized. You are seriously, seriously mistaken if you think any inch of my country is not England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indirectapproach Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 "Football firms and "Casuals", a longstanding blight both on the national game, the international game and of course wider society." I think that is a bit harsh. In my experience most of them are mainly good lads that just fancy a ruck a weekends. As for the Jews in Iran, there are surprisingly quite a few ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_in_Iran#..._status_in_Iran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anorthosite Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 What the hell are you talking about, a "predominantly Asian area"?? You are talking about an English ciity, in the heart of England. Not Bangalore or Lahore or Karachi. They are Asian areas, they are in Asia. Birmingham is English, in England. Never mind whether there is a temporary beach-head where the 5th column has colonized. You are seriously, seriously mistaken if you think any inch of my country is not England. There are some in Cornwall who are working on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Skinty Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 What the hell are you talking about, a "predominantly Asian area"?? You are talking about an English ciity, in the heart of England. Not Bangalore or Lahore or Karachi. They are Asian areas, they are in Asia. Birmingham is English, in England. Never mind whether there is a temporary beach-head where the 5th column has colonized. You are seriously, seriously mistaken if you think any inch of my country is not England. And Glasgow is a Scottish city. Last time I was there I was driven through a predominantly Asian part of it. And by that I mean, and most people would understand that statement to mean, that there is a cluster of mainly Asian inhabitants and mainly Asian shops in a small part of it. It's pretty obvious that Birmingham is a city in England and Glasgow is a city in Scotland. That does not need to be explicitly stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkbait Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Issues of race, religion and color are important where they have an impact on the economy. Race in particular is an indicator of the effect you have on an economy, either positive or negative. A country as a whole should pull in one direction. When you have certain groups that refuse to pull or even pull in an opposite direction then this needs to be addressed. and because gordon brown is white, i should hate my own colour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indirectapproach Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 "Race in particular is an indicator of the effect you have on an economy, either positive or negative." Any persuasive empirical evidence to support that comment perchance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 What the hell are you talking about, a "predominantly Asian area"?? You are talking about an English ciity, in the heart of England. Not Bangalore or Lahore or Karachi. They are Asian areas, they are in Asia. Birmingham is English, in England. Never mind whether there is a temporary beach-head where the 5th column has colonized. You are seriously, seriously mistaken if you think any inch of my country is not England. Maybe we need a homeland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland Where us whiteys can roam free... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 There are some in Cornwall who are working on it Yes in Cornwall a local asked me if i was from England blumen frenchies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightiesgirly Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 What the hell are you talking about, a "predominantly Asian area"?? You are talking about an English ciity, in the heart of England. Not Bangalore or Lahore or Karachi. They are Asian areas, they are in Asia. Birmingham is English, in England. Never mind whether there is a temporary beach-head where the 5th column has colonized. You are seriously, seriously mistaken if you think any inch of my country is not England. There is an area quite close to where I live where a white woman walking in broad daylight will be heckeled by a gang of asian men, unless dressed in a burkha of course. We don't go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indirectapproach Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 That's what "Casuals" were made for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 There is an area quite close to where I live where a white woman walking in broad daylight will be heckeled by a gang of asian men, unless dressed in a burkha of course. We don't go there. Obviously that's not good but do you really think if it was a more white area it would be ok? Do white builders not have a reputation for heckling women, whether in burkha or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightiesgirly Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Obviously that's not good but do you really think if it was a more white area it would be ok? Do white builders not have a reputation for heckling women, whether in burkha or not? Yes indeed white builders do a good bit of heckling but it tends to be quite good humoured, wayhay gerrem off type things, as opposed to the agressive whore, slut shouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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