godless Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 From a month ago. Anyway... £1,000 fines to bolster ID cards as Tories pledge to scrap scheme * Alan Travis, home affairs editor * guardian.co.uk, Monday 6 July 2009 22.33 BST * Article history MPs tonight approved fines of up to £1,000 for those who fail to tell the passport and identity service of changes in their personal details including address, name, nationality and gender. The fines are part of a package of secondary legislation being pushed through parliament designed to implement the national identity card scheme, and which will allow sensitive personal data on the ID card/passport database to be shared with the police, security services and other government departments. The regulations were approved as the Conservative party made clear for the first time their commitment to scrap not only the identity card scheme but also its underlying database. The shadow home secretary, Chris Grayling, told MPs: "One of the first acts of a Conservative government will be cancelling the ID cards scheme. The scheme and the register are both an affront to British liberty and will have no place in a Conservative Britain. They are also a huge waste of money." The home secretary, Alan Johnson, also made clear that there had been no U-turn over ID cards and that the programme was still on course despite claims that he had ruled out making them compulsory. "We haven't scrapped ID cards, what we are doing is accelerating their introduction," he told MPs. Johnson last week cancelled a compulsory trial due to start in September for 30,000 pilots and airport workers. The Conservatives' home affairs spokesman, Damian Green, asked how the scheme could be "voluntary" when they were penalties for failing to provide information for the database: "If it is a voluntary card, why are there penalties attached for failing to provide that information?" he said, adding that the government should warn people that once they "volunteer" for a passport or ID card it was then compulsory for the rest of their lives. Fines starting at £125 and rising to £1,000 are to be levied on those who fail to notify the authorities of a change of name or address, or to surrender an identity card, or to report a card lost, stolen, damaged, tampered with or destroyed. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/ju...on-fines-tories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athe Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 From a month ago. Anyway...http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/ju...on-fines-tories Yes very, sneaky - deliberately changing it from a criminal penalty to a fine so as to prevent effective civil disobedience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minos Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Roll on the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godless Posted August 6, 2009 Author Share Posted August 6, 2009 The machines power is increasing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Deflation Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Not compulsory, but then you can be fined if you get a ZanuCard and fail to inform them of a change of address, etc... As someone else has said: roll on the chuffing election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AteMoose Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 hang on.... on the 1st of July Labour Cancelled Compulsory Id cards! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11...y-ID-cards.html Now they are accelerating the scheme?!?! WTF Glad to have clarification from the tories, glad to hear both will be cancelled, but all the parties are flip flopping from week to week, how do you know what will happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoto Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 Glad to have clarification from the tories, glad to hear both will be cancelled, but all the parties are flip flopping from week to week, how do you know what will happen! Have the tories cast iron guaranteed to scrap the scheme? I follow this topic closely, but it isn't clear to me. If so, I would vote for them on this one issue above pretty much every other policy issue. I would also rescind my citizenship if this ever became mandatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no-way Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 hey looks like they may need to re-think the security for these cards at least they have been hacked already http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/200...-12-minutes.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 So if we can get a £1000 for not filling in a bit of paperwork then can we hang MP's for taking bribes ? seems fair or is treason not a reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPC001 Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18019818 That seems to explain the whole thing quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffneck Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 whens the election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 If the address on your driving licence is not current you can also be fined £1000. Driving licences should be banned too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPC001 Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 If the address on your driving licence is not current you can also be fined £1000.Driving licences should be banned too! The driving licence has a more agreeable purpose and benefit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 The driving licence has a more agreeable purpose and benefit... Is putting an end to council house cheats subletting their properties an agreeable purpose and benefit? Thought it might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPC001 Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 Is putting an end to council house cheats subletting their properties an agreeable purpose and benefit?Thought it might be. No. I was comparing it to the ID scheme... I wouldn't be opposed to scrapping DLs either, provided there's a less intrusive alternative (I could see insurance going the roof if licences were done away with). Of course insurance laws could be removed too...hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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