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not in the uk though

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third video

seems like quite a few residents of long island know far more than the politicians

Very interesting stuff.

By the looks of it there'll be about 25 differnet "revolutions".

At least politicos look their electorate in the eye in the US.

The golden girl right at the end of the 3rd clip nails it re pensions.

The powder keg goes up in my lifetime.

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not in the uk though

link

third video

seems like quite a few residents of long island know far more than the politicians

If only the good people of Britain would do the same. Are there any good people of Britain left?

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If only the good people of Britain would do the same. Are there any good people of Britain left?

Fundamentally different political culture. In the US everyones stands up and shouts; in this country we tend to suppress conflict and dissent. The US also has the federal structure and a fundamental separation of state vs federal authority; this country has a unitary state.

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Fundamentally different political culture. In the US everyones stands up and shouts; in this country we tend to suppress conflict and dissent. The US also has the federal structure and a fundamental separation of state vs federal authority; this country has a unitary state.

Excuses. Very British. I'll add you to the no list then.

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If only the good people of Britain would do the same. Are there any good people of Britain left?

Plenty of good people left IMO.

Of course some may be disinclined to 'do the same' just because somebody else wants them to. ;)

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Plenty of good people left IMO.

Of course some may be disinclined to 'do the same' just because somebody else wants them to. ;)

Another excuse. Another no.

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Very interesting stuff.

By the looks of it there'll be about 25 differnet "revolutions".

At least politicos look their electorate in the eye in the US.

The golden girl right at the end of the 3rd clip nails it re pensions.

The powder keg goes up in my lifetime.

Wait till they find out what Greenscum has done with the money.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37-LlhKaD1Y

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Washington is Selling Servitude

its not just Washington it is the bankers/big business and the politicians everywhere (apart from isolated exceptions)

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By Brian Roberts

Article 2 in Series, Restoring Freedom: An Entrepreneur’s Perspective – click here for part 1

Washington is selling servitude.

* We watched as they destroyed the financial sector by forcing banks to give loans to people that could not afford them… then they stepped in to “save the day†by gaining direct control of our financial sector.

* We watched as they destroyed a once powerful automotive industry through excessive regulation and labor union control… then they stepped in to “save the day†by gaining direct control of our automotive industry.

* We listened as they verbally assaulted capitalism when government regulations were to blame.

* We watched as they asked the American people to fund a $1 trillion dollar stimulus bill, they yelled emergency as they slipped cash from our children’s pockets to their political allies.

* We watched, as they worked to destroy the rule of law by arbitrarily dictating revised terms to legal contracts and installing a Supreme Court justice that promotes social justice over rule-of-law.

* We know, they intend to control our children, it’s written in the GIVE Act.

* We know, they intend to control our resources, it’s written in the Cap and Trade Bill.

* We know, they intend control of our very lives, it’s written in the Health Care Bill.

* We know, they intend to control our votes, the 2010 census is now controlled by the white house and the ones registering voters are corrupt

* We watch and wait as they install unaccountable czars for dictating not representing

* We watch and wait as they increase “organizer†funding from millions to billions of our tax dollars. And we wonder how these groups will be used to steal our life, liberty and property from us.

The fifth sentence of the Declaration of Independence states, “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.â€

Our product of freedom is competing with an illegal product. The federal government does not have the constitutional authority to sell servitude. It’s that simple. The 10th amendment positions our competitor as an outlaw and recent actions in Washington reaffirm this claim. This brings us to our first point of strategic significance:

A movement based on the 10th amendment is undeniably lawful and moral.

Washington is selling servitude. On fundamental issues, we the people are no longer represented by our national politicians. Our political leaders do not respect the people. They do not bother to read bills that steal away our money and freedom, but then they support these bills aggressively. They set up final votes at midnight in hopes that we do not notice the theft. They pit us against one another by highlighting trivial, but polarizing issues. When the people scream for a solution that doesn’t fit their personal quest for power they shelve the debate instead of making changes that would benefit the people. Despite this disrespect, many national leaders stay in office forever and when real opportunities arise to fill seats with true freedom oriented candidates, the establishment candidates step up, promote and install new big government-types that are mirror images of themselves. It is about personal power not representation. Washington is selling servitude.

Now, thinking like an entrepreneur, Washington used to be a strong ally in our quest to sell individual freedom. Together, we sold freedom to the world and earned the honorable title of “The shining city on the hillâ€. However, they have now decided to sell servitude. Washington has become a lost distribution channel for our product. Yes, they still want to offer our product, but only so they can do a bait and switch routine and create more customers for servitude. If we continue with these dynamics then the market share for servitude will quickly dominate the market share for freedom. And further compounding our problem, the federal government is a strong distribution channel and finding other channels that can compete is a challenge. To solve this problem, we need a game-changer, something that will expand our more loyal distribution channels while limiting theirs.

The 10th amendment states, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.†This one sentence if effectively used to counter federal power can quickly shift power back to a more local level.

A movement based on the 10th amendment fundamentally changes the political landscape in favor of individual freedom.

Washington is selling servitude. Democrats are selling it outright as if servitude itself was a great product. Most Republicans are packaging it with just a dose of freedom so it goes down a little smoother. But when it comes to the fundamentals like smaller government and individual freedom neither party in Washington is representing us consistently. Both parties are using a horizontal marketing approach and this leaves “we the people†out. Let me explain.

In product marketing, you can position products for sale through a horizontal channel or a vertical channel. The national parties have broad horizontal platforms that work great when selling servitude because it allows them to pick and choose which “selling point†to highlight, which “product deficiencies†to hide and which controversial product features they can use to distract from the outright bugs in their product offering.

If you seek to bring a revolutionary product, such as freedom, to market then vertical marketing is key because it has the ability to capture a significant market share quickly and with minimal budget. The key to success is based on focus.

By focusing on a singular message our demands for more localized control of government will quickly be adopted in positions held by local politicians, followed by state politicians who are emboldened by a loud voice beating the same drum. Whether state politicians are driven to our message by greed or ideals the result is the same, a new ally with a legal precedent to counter federal abuse of power. This can happen in a dramatic way in the next election cycle.

A movement based on the 10th encourages a state government, accountable to the people locally, to challenge the federal government directly.

So how does this all tie together? Dual-power is the sharing of power between the federal government and the state government. This was a fundamental check on power that was envisioned by our founders and written into the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Over the last 100 years, through judicial decisions, constitutional amendment and by simply ignoring it, the 10th amendment has been watered down significantly. Much of this can be changed if the people demand these changes with clarity. If the message is not clear, the the federal government will appease the population with trinkets of freedom but maintain the power to sell more and more servitude.

The 10th goes right for the jugular of federal power, it changes the overall dynamics and it does this through a legal means. A movement based on the 10th clearly has large strategic value in and of itself. The 10th also delivers strong tactical value on how to bring freedom to market.

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Very interesting stuff.

By the looks of it there'll be about 25 differnet "revolutions".

At least politicos look their electorate in the eye in the US.

The golden girl right at the end of the 3rd clip nails it re pensions.

The powder keg goes up in my lifetime.

Same here ...

but the real time bomb is china ...... the last 25 years or so , of one child on the state the rest you get penalised for, is starting to bite ,as the population ages . with a big population bulge hitting pensionable age within a decade supported by a rapidly shrinking working population trough.

One form of pension investment in the rural areas out there used to mean having another child.

More than another long march coming methinks

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If only the good people of Britain would do the same. Are there any good people of Britain left?

Someone posted the link to The Libertarian Party the other day and I now feel like there are others out there, just as fed up with the crooked system as many of us are. I had never heard of them before, but I think they have pretty much won my support after just reading their site.

I have read a fair chunk of their site and they have some great ideas. Some of their ideas are the same as I was discussing with my father a few months back too, which confirms my thoughts. With all the discussion on fiat, government control and such it is clear that we need to get a representative party in power before we have nothing left but despair.

I watched with interest the progress of the anti copyright party (I think in Sweden). This is not because I am anti copyright, but because of how quickly they gained support. With the Internet as a catalyst, these marginal parties can really start to get traction. The problem is, so far it has been single issue politics, when what is needed is a party that wants to turn the whole sorry system on its ass. However, if UKIP can do well from just saying no to the EU, I wonder what can happen when a party with real good ideas gets a shot?

EDIT: In addition, I would happily protest over this crap we have in the UK now. People need some sort of collective to vent though, as otherwise we are just screaming at the TV.

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Someone posted the link to The Libertarian Party the other day and I now feel like there are others out there, just as fed up with the crooked system as many of us are. I had never heard of them before, but I think they have pretty much won my support after just reading their site.

I have read a fair chunk of their site and they have some great ideas. Some of their ideas are the same as I was discussing with my father a few months back too, which confirms my thoughts. With all the discussion on fiat, government control and such it is clear that we need to get a representative party in power before we have nothing left but despair.

I watched with interest the progress of the anti copyright party (I think in Sweden). This is not because I am anti copyright, but because of how quickly they gained support. With the Internet as a catalyst, these marginal parties can really start to get traction. The problem is, so far it has been single issue politics, when what is needed is a party that wants to turn the whole sorry system on its ass. However, if UKIP can do well from just saying no to the EU, I wonder what can happen when a party with real good ideas gets a shot?

it was me

they need help

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it was me

they need help

I thought it was - many thanks. I have already told (no, raved) about it to two others. I am going to do a little more reading up, but I think I have found a party worth getting involved with.

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Great link - thanks for posting. I'm amazed how quickly the Yanks are waking up. Things are really going viral. The question is will it be Czechoslovakia in '68 or Rumania in '89. I hope for all our sakes it will be the latter.

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but the real time bomb is china ...... the last 25 years or so , of one child on the state the rest you get penalised for, is starting to bite ,as the population ages . with a big population bulge hitting pensionable age within a decade supported by a rapidly shrinking working population trough.

One form of pension investment in the rural areas out there used to mean having another child.

Now being relaxed and never as rigorous as implied...

'China steps back from one child policy':

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle6726244.ece

The one couple, one child family-planning policy is less rigorous than its name suggests. Urban parents are permitted to have two children if the husband and wife were only children. In rural areas, couples are allowed a second child if their first is a girl.

[...snip...]

The US Centre for Strategic and International Studies warned in April that by 2050, China would have more than 438 million people over 60, with more than 100 million aged 80 or over. The country will have only 1.6 working-age adults to support every person aged 60 or above, compared with 7.7 in 1975.

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Someone posted the link to The Libertarian Party the other day and I now feel like there are others out there, just as fed up with the crooked system as many of us are. I had never heard of them before, but I think they have pretty much won my support after just reading their site.

Try persuading him to adopt the introduction of a modest Citizen's Income as a policy.

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Great link - thanks for posting. I'm amazed how quickly the Yanks are waking up. Things are really going viral. The question is will it be Czechoslovakia in '68 or Rumania in '89. I hope for all our sakes it will be the latter.

yeah the yanks are waking up i suppose its more in their nature than those in the uk

dont know what it will take in this country to get people motivated

first to learn enough to understand the problem

and then to do something about it

think i need to become a more active member of the libertarian party

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Try persuading him to adopt the introduction of a modest Citizen's Income as a policy.

You know what, that is about the only thing which (from first read if their manifesto) I thought was missing. Modesty would have to be key, but the simplicity of a CI may appeal. With so many people in non-jobs, being reallocated to productive jobs, I'm sure a CI would help bridge the gap. They do discuss removing the benefits trap too, which would suggest an openness to such alternatives. It will be interested to hear their point of view on this.

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