R K Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8180749.stm People who want to become British citizens could speed it up by becoming active members of political parties and trade unions, under government plans.Migrants would have to earn points for citizenship under the new system rather than getting an automatic right to apply for citizenship after five years. They could also lose points for "bad behaviour" which it has been suggested could include anti-war demonstrations. The Conservatives dismissed the plans as "pure spin". Migrants who have worked in the UK for five years have had the automatic right to apply for a British passport, which, immigration minister Phil Woolas told the BBC, was usually granted. 'Active citizens' But in future, under the measures in the Borders, Citizenship and Immigration Bill which became law in July, migrants will have to spend five years as temporary residents, before becoming "probationary citizens". They can then earn full citizenship by earning points - a process which is expected to take between a further one and five years. A consultation document published on Monday seeks views on how those points might be earned. It says the government's "initial thinking" is that volunteering and "civic activism" - such as being a school governor or "contributing to the democratic life of the country through trade union activities or canvassing for a political party" - could speed up the process. "Active citizens will be able to speed up their journey through probationary citizenship and become a British citizen after one year rather than three," it says. Refugees and spouses of migrants already in the UK will have their points assessed on "the basis of their continuing family relationship or protection needs". 'More challenging' test But economic migrants would face a new points test, which would take into account the UK's economic needs. The government suggests extra points could be earned by those who head to Scotland, or other areas "in need of further immigration". Earning potential, special artistic or scientific skills, qualifications, occupations and English language abilities could also be rewarded. There may also be a new test, which includes the existing citizenship test focussing on practical information about life in the UK but also includes "more challenging topics such as the historical and political context at the British citizenship stage". Points could be lost by those where "an active disregard for UK values is demonstrated", the government suggests, while inviting views on what "attributes" might gain or lose points. In an interview with the News of the World, Alan Johnson said, as well as earning points, they could be lost through "bad behaviour". Amid reports that could include taking part in protests at soldiers' homecoming parades - Mr Woolas told the BBC he did not want to comment about "specific instances". We don't want your sort around here. Promise to vote labour? You're in. Want to demonstrate against something that Mr Woolas has yet to decide upon? Like a labour war or ID cards or CCTV in your house? You're out............ Wtf is going on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Orwell would have a field day. This nation is led by idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babesagainstmachines Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Have you seen Starship Troopers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Have you seen Starship Troopers? service guarantees citizenship and unisex showers. Im in. I want to be very very clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minos Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 service guarantees citizenship and unisex showers.Im in. I want to be very very clean. You dirty sod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 You dirty sod. care to join. service guarantees citizenship and unisex showers. you could be very very clean as well. we'd both be clean all day. as many times as we liked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okaycuckoo Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Have you seen Starship Troopers? First half of that film was a brilliant satire on the police state - good as Robocop. Second half was just go USA shoot-'em-up nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 First half of that film was a brilliant satire on the police state - good as Robocop. Second half was just go USA shoot-'em-up nonsense. everyone was very clean though. even after bug fights. very clean indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8180749.stmWe don't want your sort around here. Promise to vote labour? You're in. Want to demonstrate against something that Mr Woolas has yet to decide upon? Like a labour war or ID cards or CCTV in your house? You're out............ Wtf is going on? Statism. The violence will continue until either the economy completely disintegrates or some group arises to take the state on. There is no other group, so we will have collapse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weebag Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Statism.The violence will continue until either the economy completely disintegrates or some group arises to take the state on. There is no other group, so we will have collapse. Group??.....but I thought 'groups' didnt exist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybong Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 ....such as being a school governor... --------- So there'll be queues of immigrants straight off lorry axles asking to be school governors. They are just plain daft. Double whammyness of daftness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinker Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 How about working in Tesco, does that count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RufflesTheGuineaPig Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 First half of that film was a brilliant satire on the police state - good as Robocop. Second half was just go USA shoot-'em-up nonsense. If you watch the sequals you can see that the films are meant as political comment. The state power increases and earth becomes a faschist dictatorship. meanwhile the bugs become less of a threat but more effort is made to combat them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybong Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 The government suggests extra points could be earned by those who head to Scotland, or other areas "in need of further immigration". --------- Heading to areas of high unemployment. You know it makes sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juvenal Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 This is all modelled on the Tesco Clubcard scheme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Group??.....but I thought 'groups' didnt exist? They don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Jesus. Theyll try anything to fill the party funding gap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashConnoisseur Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 The government suggests extra points could be earned by those who head to Scotland, or other areas "in need of further immigration". --------- Heading to areas of high unemployment. You know it makes sense More like areas of marginal constituencies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Woods? Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Breath-taking. Every day I hear some new scheme originating out of this government that leaves me gaping like a fish out of water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weebag Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 They don't. Fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalancedBear Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 The fact that these ideas even see teh light of day and get discussed, means our government is bloated and out of control. We need a reduction in the number of MPs, and a reduction on what the governments remit is. The sooner Labour are kicked out of office the better. We just cannto afford anymore of this rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BALD MAN Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 The fact that these ideas even see teh light of day and get discussed, means our government is bloated and out of control. We need a reduction in the number of MPs, and a reduction on what the governments remit is. The sooner Labour are kicked out of office the better. We just cannto afford anymore of this rubbish. Yes cut the number of MPs. Root out the waste in local government which should return to being a service provider. Cut the waste in Europe. Likley to happen? No becasue to many talentless people in politrics would have nothing else to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workingholiday Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Consultation document intended to be implemented approx July 2011. Good way to make some noise before the election, without having to actually implement anything. Meanwhile, as an immigrant who has jumped through all these new hoops every time Labour panic and the goal posts move, it's getting a little old. The deal was, work for cheap for X years, and one day the Home Office will get out of your face. Not even that interested in citizenship; certainly don't want benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grime- skint wouldbe ftb Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Labour have long had a policy of gerrymandering via mass immigration: We are Labour, party of "equality" and sticking up for the underdog. What's that, youre an underdog (ie uneducated, criminal, etc) and "unequal" (ie ethnic) ? ... Come on in!! Sure you'll vote for us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 First half of that film was a brilliant satire on the police state - good as Robocop. Second half was just go USA shoot-'em-up nonsense. with really gungy insects if I remember... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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