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Purported Kenyan Obama Birth Certificate Surfaces

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The key thing to notice here is how quickly the magical "R" word is thrown. There seems to be a good chance that the President of America is ineligible, yet the usual suspects scream "R", as it usually helps them get their way!

Yeah - that always makes me laugh - Obama is every bit as white by birth as he is black...

And he's 100% white by culture.

All this "first black man in office" is just so much shite for the thick head legions to consume.

Fkwits..

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Yeah - that always makes me laugh - Obama is every bit as white by birth as he is black...

And he's 100% white by culture.

All this "first black man in office" is just so much shite for the thick head legions to consume.

Fkwits..

It makes me laugh that you understand nothing about the old race laws in America that make it in issue.

Under Jim Crow and the "one drop rule", Homer Plessy was an "Octroon" (ie. 1/8th) and hence black.

Race laws that were still in force when Barack Obama was born, wherever that was.

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It makes me laugh that you understand nothing about the old race laws in America that make it in issue.

Under Jim Crow and the "one drop rule", Homer Plessy was an "Octroon" (ie. 1/8th) and hence black.

Race laws that were still in force when Barack Obama was born, wherever that was.

Then you must be a hoot at a party if that makes you laugh...

And the thing about the old race laws are that they are exactly that... old.

Get with the 21st century, we are supposed to move forward, how can we when the blinkered only look back?

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Then you must be a hoot at a party if that makes you laugh...

And the thing about the old race laws are that they are exactly that... old.

Get with the 21st century, we are supposed to move forward, how can we when the blinkered only look back?

Well said. To all you other people give it a rest. This story has been done to death by the Swiftboaters in the US. Or do you lot think you are smater than all the Republican lawyers who have been down this deadend road? Well are you punks?

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Then you must be a hoot at a party if that makes you laugh...

And the thing about the old race laws are that they are exactly that... old.

Get with the 21st century, we are supposed to move forward, how can we when the blinkered only look back?

It was only in the mid-1960s that segregation ended.

Far from outside living memory, and indeed within the lifetime of a "young" President.

Many people affected by it are still alive and not especially old either.

I don't think it is "blinkered" to notice that and to understand why many think its a big deal that a man who would have been barred from attending schools, using toilets, waterfountains, cinemas and suchlike in the America to which he was born into is President of that country today. Yes, in 2009 attitudes have changed, thats the point, they have moved forward. People are pleased about that.

According to you they are "thick heads" consuming "shite". I think the blinkered ignorance lies solely with you.

As for being fun at parties, I was laughing at you not with you.

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Well said. To all you other people give it a rest. This story has been done to death by the Swiftboaters in the US. Or do you lot think you are smater than all the Republican lawyers who have been down this deadend road? Well are you punks?

If there wasn't a problem, then he would have shown it to everyone by now. The fact that he's black has no bearing on this. Either you're entitled, according to the constitution, to be president or not. The fact that he's signing documents causing thousands of people to die following on Bush's foreign policy with even more vigour is far more of an issue.

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If there wasn't a problem, then he would have shown it to everyone by now. The fact that he's black has no bearing on this. Either you're entitled, according to the constitution, to be president or not. The fact that he's signing documents causing thousands of people to die following on Bush's foreign policy with even more vigour is far more of an issue.

He has shown it to everyone........

And the newspaper birth announcements FFS!

Dear God, this Birthers b*llsh*t has been debunked to death, amazed it has legs even here

John Stewart annilhated these birther mentalists a few days ago and sums it up well here

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july...e-born-identity

Even the most fervent Republicans realise it's absolute b*ll*cks but are willing to bring it up in an either an overt or mealy mouthed oblique way in order to stir up partisan bickering and try and get some good old racial paranoia in the mix.

Happily it appears to have backfired with the all but the most fervent right wingers finding no validity in it what so ever; a lot of internet nutjobs are revelling in a new non conspiracy to get hot and sticky tho.

As for that 'document' mentioned in the OP (the pretty much brand new looking 45 year old document :rolleyes: )

First, the hospital is Coast Provincial General Hospital (sometimes said to be Coast Province General Hospital), not Coast General Hospital.

Second, Kenya was a Dominion the date this certificate was allegedly issued and would not become a republic for 8 months.

Third, Mombasa belonged to Zanzibar when Obama was born, not Kenya.

Fourth, Obama's father's village would be nearer to Nairobi, not Mombasa.

Fifth, the number 47O44-- 47 is Obama's age when he became president, followed by the letter O (not a zero) followed by 44--he is the 44th president.

Sixth, EF Lavender is a laundry detergent.

Seventh, would a nation with a large number of Muslims actually say "Christian name" (as opposed to name) on the birth certificate?

Eighth, his father (born in 1961) would have been 24 or 25 when he was born and not 26.

Ninth, it was called the "Central Nyanza District," not Nyanza Province. The regions were changed to provinces in 1970.

other than that, it's looking pretty compelling :rolleyes::rolleyes:

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He has shown it to everyone........

When? Please provide a link to where the certificate not the registration document has been produced. As far I'm aware only the registration document has been shown. This is why the democrat attorney Philip Berg still has an on going court case which is being blocked at every turn.

And the newspaper birth announcements FFS!

Oh right, and you have an copy from the original newspaper in 1961 or whenever? Couldn't possibly have altered the archives? :lol:

John Stewart annilhated these birther mentalists a few days ago and sums it up well here

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july...e-born-identity

Oh right. John Stewart, a bitter and twisted late night liberal comedy TV program host. Couldn't possibly be staying on message could he? :lol:

A lot of internet nutjobs are revelling in a new non conspiracy to get hot and sticky tho.

If the internet is so full of nutjobs/conspiracy theorists why are you here? Perhaps you are being paid? :lol: Keep watching the indoctrination box and drinking the cool aid. A lot more truth on the net.

As for that 'document' mentioned in the OP (the pretty much brand new looking 45 year old document :rolleyes: )

As I said in the original post it could be a forgery. But has it crossed your tiny mind that it could be a nice bit of conintelpro? You know, put a false one out to put people off the scent?

Like most people I just want the truth. People voted out Bush's policies but have found they have been had by the great black hope. Obama is a patsy and people are waking up to that fact and want the country to be governed in their interests not those of the military industrial complex.

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When? Please provide a link to where the certificate not the registration document has been produced. As far I'm aware only the registration document has been shown. This is why the democrat attorney David Berg still has an on going court case which is being blocked at every turn.

The short form document has been released; Hawaii no longer releases the long form

Factcheck.org (a non partisan non profit organisation) sum it up well here

This has been gone over again and again and again to the point where the even the most fervent Republican officials acknowledge there is no basis for this whole sorry silly season 'conspiracy'. It's being kept alive by some internet nutjobs who are doing a good job of making themselves look pretty silly right now.

Oh right, and you have an copy from the original newspaper in 1961 or whenever? Couldn't possibly have altered the archives?

yes

the microfiche records from all Hawaiian libraries for both newspapers have all been altered.

of course..........

you could say that about any documentation presented of any kind, it's a pretty specious argument.

those announcements were created directly from the records of Hawaiian Department of Health Vital Statistics System and not placed by his parents (some 'Birthers' claim a false advert was placed by his parents on the off chance that their sone grew up to be president.......)

Oh right. John Stewart, a bitter and twisted late night liberal comedy TV program host. Couldn't possibly be staying on message could he? :lol:

Your OP quotes infowars FFS! :lol::lol::lol:

If the internet is so full of nutjobs/conspiracy theorists why are you here? Perhaps you are being paid? laugh.gif Keep watching the indoctrination box and drinking the cool aid. A lot more truth on the net.

Why am I here? You mean on the internet? :blink:

The internet is full of nutjobs, thankfully not that many reside here (a few do tho); read the comments on your infowars article if you don't understand where I'm coming from.

There's nothing sadder than the unbridled arrogance of people who check a few conspiracy sites, swallow it all whole and then proceed to deride everyone else as 'sheeple'. Irony overload.

As I said in the original post it could be a forgery. But has it crossed your tiny mind that it could be a nice bit of conintelpro? You know, put a false one out to put people off the scent?

My tiny mind?

Birthers were doing a great job of making themselves look like a crazy irrelevance long before this 'document' was touted by their leader Orly Taitz (who has conveniently disappeared to europe for 3 weeks)

This is a silly season story given oxygen by desperate Republicans and internet nutjobs.

Like most people I just want the truth. People voted out Bush's policies but have found they have been had by the great black hope. Obama is a patsy and people are waking up to that fact and want the country to be governed in their interests not those of the military industrial complex.

Yes.

The Democrat party vetted Barack Obama and decided that despite him being black and having Hussein as a middle name they'd overlook his lack of US citizenship and rest their hopes on him; Mcains campaign thought the same too.

of course.

I presume you were making this much of a meal of GWB's stolen election a few years back?

The Birthers are doing a great job at distracting attention away from the real, pressing issues facing the US right now, and there are several; 2 wars, economic meltdown, global unpopularity, an insane spiralling deficit and health care system due to implode any time now.

I think this debunked non issue is a far better way to expend time and energy than debating any of the above, don't you?

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Like most people I just want the truth.

The TFH Brigade all say this, but actually what they want is a more mysterious world where only they can highlight us to the dangers all around. It's about rising up from sad geekdom to becoming wise saviours of the world.

The truth is nearly always quite dull.

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It was only in the mid-1960s that segregation ended.

Far from outside living memory, and indeed within the lifetime of a "young" President.

Many people affected by it are still alive and not especially old either.

I don't think it is "blinkered" to notice that and to understand why many think its a big deal that a man who would have been barred from attending schools, using toilets, waterfountains, cinemas and suchlike in the America to which he was born into is President of that country today. Yes, in 2009 attitudes have changed, thats the point, they have moved forward. People are pleased about that.

According to you they are "thick heads" consuming "shite". I think the blinkered ignorance lies solely with you.

As for being fun at parties, I was laughing at you not with you.

+1. Almost of equal importance, segregation prevented certain people from participating in investment opportunities and networking in growing their businesses. This opportunity loss is HUGE when compounded (and even larger the further back one goes).

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The short form document has been released. Hawaii no longer releases the long form

Where? Linky please. How convenient. :lol:

Factcheck.org (a non partisan non profit organisation) sum it up well here

Sorry can't look at this - internet = conspiracy nutjob see below. :lol: But where do they get their funding?

It's being kept alive by some internet nutjobs who are doing a good job of making themselves look pretty silly right now.

The internet is full of nutjobs, The internet is full of nutjobs, The internet is full of nutjobs, exterminate, exterminate. :lol:If we keep repeating it long enough, we can stop people using it to find out things.

yes

the microfiche records from all Hawaiian libraries for both newspapers have all been altered.

of course..........

you could say that about any documentation presented of any kind, it's a pretty specious argument.

Exactly. How many important documents in history have gone missing just at the point of scandal exposure?

Your OP quotes infowars FFS! :lol::lol::lol:

And what is wrong with Infowars? You'll find far more truth there than in the MSM. After all, Housepricecrash members were called nutjobs at one time. What's the matter? Circulation figures floundering? :lol:

The internet is full of nutjobs.

There's nothing sadder than the unbridled arrogance of people who check a few conspiracy sites, swallow it all whole and then proceed to deride everyone else as 'sheeple'. Irony overload.

Again exterminate, exterminate. :lol: No, there is nothing sadder, than someone who's only been here 5 minutes shouting the odds against internet sites/blogs on a blog? Again, why are you here? A bit late for a housepricecrash aren't you?

This is a silly season story given oxygen by desperate Republicans and internet nutjobs.

Again exterminate, exterminate. :lol:

I presume you were making this much of a meal of GWB's stolen election a few years back?

Definitely. It was a disgrace. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I'm a Republican supporter.

The Birthers are doing a great job at distracting attention away from the real, pressing issues facing the US right now, and there are several; 2 wars, economic meltdown, global unpopularity, an insane spiralling deficit and health care system due to implode any time now.

Agreed, which is why he should just show the real certificate and we can all move on.

I think this debunked non issue is a far better way to expend time and energy than debating any of the above, don't you?

It might be a debunked issue to you but many others are interested. After all, do you really want someone who can be blackmailed in control of the world's largest arsenal? If you're not interested, then don't post.

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Agreed, which is why he should just show the real certificate and we can all move on.

Somehow I dont think anyone really wants to move on.

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Where? Linky please. How convenient. :lol:

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

Sorry can't look at this - internet = conspiracy nutjob see below. :lol:

no, I (of course) wasn't saying all internet sources aren't credible; are you saying you have to either 100% agree with every single viewpoint on the web or 100% disagree?

The internet is full of nutjobs, The internet is full of nutjobs, The internet is full of nutjobs, exterminate, exterminate. :lol:If we keep repeating it long enough, we can stop people using it to find out things.

The internet is full of nutjobs (do you disagree?), and yes, you can find out all sorts of things, the vast majority of which are true alongside a noisy minority of absolute deranged rubbish; if have no discernment it's easy to get fixated on the latter.

Exactly. How many important documents in history have gone missing just at the point of scandal exposure?

:blink: are you saying the fact that these documents are available is proof they're fake? Or are you saying that they have all been substituted?

And what is wrong with Infowars? You'll find far more truth there than in the MSM. After all, Housepricecrash members were called nutjobs at one time. What's the matter? Circulation figures floundering? :lol:

Infowars is full of ******** for the more credulous amongst us. It's linked to the only forum I can remember that has subforums called "Missing Children/Torture/Rape/Satanic Ritual Abuse" / "Staged Financial Crisis Part of Socialist/Global Banking Coup" / and other subforums exploring how 9/11, 7/7, Mumbai attacks(?!) and Katarina (??!!!) were all part of a NWO / 'Zionist" conspiracy.

Have a look at the comments on pretty much every story on the main site, they're chock full of chemtrail, 9/11 truthers, Zionist conspiracy, Shape shifting lizard garbage.

I have no idea what you mean when you say "Circulation figures floundering?:lol: " btw; what's the implication? That my finding infowars not credible must mean I'm part of a mainstream media conspiracy? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Again exterminate, exterminate. :lol: No, there is nothing sadder, than someone who's only been here 5 minutes shouting the odds against internet sites/blogs on a blog?

Do I have to be a member of 4 years standing on this website to have a valid opinion? I'm not 'shouting the odds' against this site (as well you know), I'm shouting the odds against a conspiracyI think has no merit; are you saying that all sites have equal validity and membership of one forum means you have to give all internet sites equal weight when discussing any issue? If not I'm not entirely clear what is you're trying to say.

Agreed, which is why he should just show the real certificate and we can all move on.

he has shown the fullest documentation available and pretty much everyone has moved on except a few wackjobs who are looking more ludicrous by the minute.

It might be a debunked issue to you but many others are interested. After all, do you really want someone who can be blackmailed in control of the world's largest arsenal. If you're not interested, then don't post.

I am interested in the topic, that's why I'm posting. I think what you really mean is if you don't agree with me then don't post.

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The short form document has been released; Hawaii no longer releases the long form

Factcheck.org (a non partisan non profit organisation) sum it up well here

:lol::lol::lol:

You mean Factcheck.org which is run by the Annenberg Foundation?

Scroll down to the bottom of the homepage:

http://www.factcheck.org/

"Factcheck is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center"

Obama was a chairman of the board for the Annenberg foundation.

When Obama made his first run for political office, articles in both the Chicago Defender and the Hyde Park Herald featured among his qualifications his position as chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a foundation where Ayers was a founder and guiding force. Obama assumed the Annenberg board chairmanship only months before his first run for office, and almost certainly received the job at the behest of Bill Ayers. During Obama’s time as Annenberg board chairman, Ayers’s own education projects received substantial funding. Indeed, during its first year, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge struggled with significant concerns about possible conflicts of interest. With a writ to aid Chicago’s public schools, the Annenberg challenge played a deeply political role in Chicago’s education wars, and as Annenberg board chairman, Obama clearly aligned himself with Ayers’s radical views on education issues. With Obama heading up the board and Ayers heading up the other key operating body of the Annenberg Challenge, the two would necessarily have had a close working relationship for years (therefore “exchanging ideas on a regular basisâ€).

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTgwZ...DZlM2Y2OGI0NDM=

Very "non-partisan" isn't it? :lol:

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You're right. Incredible how some people seem to be able to turn every thread on the forum into an argument about racism and lefties.

You're a credit to your people, skint.

:lol: 'his people'? Please tell me the arent any more of 'em! :lol:

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