Mikhail Liebenstein Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi...icle6735381.ece Ok, to me this looks like a straight forward dispute over intellectual property and as a Skype user I'd be really annoyed if this came to pass. But we all know how Skype is seen as dangerous in some countries and indeed I have been to some where it is quite clearly blocked. What do people here think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi...icle6735381.eceOk, to me this looks like a straight forward dispute over intellectual property and as a Skype user I'd be really annoyed if this came to pass. But we all know how Skype is seen as dangerous in some countries and indeed I have been to some where it is quite clearly blocked. What do people here think? People here think !!?? That came out of left field. As for the interent - it is the main source of info/chat for anything that is counter 'Government'. So therefore they must be very interested in how it is run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 I've got free skype to skype calls on my mobile... I guess it's just another thing they have to track and find out who's saying what to who Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi...icle6735381.eceOk, to me this looks like a straight forward dispute over intellectual property and as a Skype user I'd be really annoyed if this came to pass. But we all know how Skype is seen as dangerous in some countries and indeed I have been to some where it is quite clearly blocked. What do people here think? Skype is convenient, but has never been a safe proposition. It's old-fashioned lock-in to proprietary and unpublished protocols, which means you're completely at the mercy of someone's whim. As to why they've succeeded in the marketplace, that's an interesting topic. http://bahumbug.wordpress.com/2007/06/10/w...usiness-models/ I wonder if this is also a triumph of Skype’s business model? Skype is monolithic, well-promoted, very easy to sign up to, and largely consumer-oriented. SIP is democratic and backed by a wide range of competing providers, none of which has the profile and clout of a Skype. And the SIP providers are much more geared to providing higher-value solutions to business rather than the consumer/soho market. And the mere fact of being democratic – and consequent lack of a single signup point – is probably holding it back in the mass market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebenstein Posted August 2, 2009 Author Share Posted August 2, 2009 People here think !!??That came out of left field. As for the interent - it is the main source of info/chat for anything that is counter 'Government'. So therefore they must be very interested in how it is run. Well I tend to believe the Government has more important things to worry about than what some random people post on internet forums or what they talk about on IP Telephony. As a general rule I'd expect the bad guys would not want to discuss their plans out in the open, so I am sure they are likely to use encryption technology and email over other methods - thought I am sure they probably prefer to meet face to face. Skype to be honest is not very secure which is why most companies will not use it for commercial discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Deflation Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 I do not know anything about Skype - beyond that it's free way to make phonecalls (or something like that). A few people I know have mentioned Skype, and they're generally same people who use Bebo, Facebook, Myspace, Twitter, etc. So I don't mind if they turn it off - especially if it annoys a few people that I dislike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Well I tend to believe the Government has more important things to worry about than what some random people post on internet forums or what they talk about on IP Telephony. As a general rule I'd expect the bad guys would not want to discuss their plans out in the open, so I am sure they are likely to use encryption technology and email over other methods - thought I am sure they probably prefer to meet face to face. Skype to be honest is not very secure which is why most companies will not use it for commercial discussions. That is what I would hope too. However this Government ? Everything seems to be about control. Communciation is key to that. Anyway I doubt this is a conspiracy. However I am sure there is much the Government does that falls right into that category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustYield Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 As I have about 7 euros at stake here... How can a peer to peer technology over IP be proprietary? I thought it was all open source these days. What's the magic in Skype that eBay can't replicate? Damned cunning those Scandinavians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DissipatedYouthIsValuable Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 (edited) *Sends bits over port 80* *Meets man with carnation in buttonhole beneath clocktower. Puts out cigarette, leaves briefcase* Edited August 2, 2009 by DissipatedYouthIsValuable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live Peasant Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 http://www.aupix.com/ plenty of alternatives around. Interestingly many of them based in Singapore where companies with Boards stuffed with PhD level engineers rather than sales gimps are beginning to do rather well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slurms mackenzie Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 http://www.aupix.com/plenty of alternatives around. Interestingly many of them based in Singapore where companies with Boards stuffed with PhD level engineers rather than sales gimps are beginning to do rather well. Exactly it's not difficult to replace, i doubt you need a PhD engineer to implement a bit of simple VOIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashinmattress Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Meh. It's not about government conspiracy, or any of that tin hat nonse. This about about somebody wanting to get paid. Moola issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairies Wear Boots Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Exactly it's not difficult to replace, i doubt you need a PhD engineer to implement a bit of simple VOIP Maybe that's why so many people go Skype, because it's proprietory and better? I use skype to video call my parents on the other side of the world. Which company does free video conferencing software? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skullingtonjoe Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 As a general rule I'd expect the bad guys would not want to discuss their plans out in the openns. They don`t - just have meetings inside 10 Downing Street. They`re called `The Cabinet` Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebbedee Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 People here think !!??That came out of left field. I know what you mean there are a lot of Bulls on the site nowadays with little brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Werent labour the main offenders in shutting down pirate radio in the 1960s? People seem to think the tories are the anti-free speech types. IMO history tells a different story. Deep down labour are almost always totalitarian commie filth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 I'm back! Did you miss me? (probably not). It's a straightforward business decision. Niklas Zennstrom and Janus Friis, the founders of Skype, put the P2P technology (the same as they put into Kazaa) into a separate company called Joltid. The technology has always been licenced to Skype. When they still owned Skype, the licencing fee didn't matter to them as they were paying out with one hand into the other. Now that they have zero economic interest in Skype, the licencing fee IS important and that is what is under dispute. Skype is not completely decentralised - a small amount of centralised hosting is still needed to maintain your contacts list (notice how your full list of contacts comes up when you log on using a completely different machine?). Now, what have I missed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Werent labour the main offenders in shutting down pirate radio in the 1960s? People seem to think the tories are the anti-free speech types. IMO history tells a different story. Deep down labour are almost always totalitarian commie filth. an anecdotal about a social club I used to be involved with (it's a more specific activity than that but it would be identifiable if I gave specifics out) It reflects the rise of the new labour public sector client state. The committee used to be mainly private sector white collar types. The website discussion forum had some healthy - and even some unhealthy, but who's to say - debate even about how the club worked etc. I know nothing awful happened as I was on the committee myself for a period. The committee of the last 2 years has been all public sector white collar types - very much reflecting the new professional order. And the website is now subscription only, members are not even allowed to give email addresses out, secure logon and secure messaging only, ie completely superviseable by the committee of the group. It's breathtaking the control freakery involved to 'protect' the members on the website - the average age must be about 30! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pindar Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 (edited) As I have about 7 euros at stake here... How can a peer to peer technology over IP be proprietary? I thought it was all open source these days. What's the magic in Skype that eBay can't replicate? Damned cunning those Scandinavians. That's the thing. Technology for VoIP has existed for nearly 20 years. It's all in the name and how easy it is to set the software up - this was something that Skype spotted an opportunity for. There are far superior (technically and quality) systems that use SIP. It's just that setting up the software takes a bit more thought. A really excellent service is http://www.sipgate.co.uk/user/index.php - it gives you a free UK telephone number and you can call any other SIP service for free. You have the added benefit of being able to call fixed PSTN numbers and you can move your telephone number around and even transfer your number from BT. Edited August 3, 2009 by Von Moses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 As I have about 7 euros at stake here... How can a peer to peer technology over IP be proprietary? I thought it was all open source these days. What's the magic in Skype that eBay can't replicate? Damned cunning those Scandinavians. Mainly the ability to make calls between two computers that are both behind firewalls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachman Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 I'm back! Did you miss me? (probably not).It's a straightforward business decision. Niklas Zennstrom and Janus Friis, the founders of Skype, put the P2P technology (the same as they put into Kazaa) into a separate company called Joltid. The technology has always been licenced to Skype. When they still owned Skype, the licencing fee didn't matter to them as they were paying out with one hand into the other. Now that they have zero economic interest in Skype, the licencing fee IS important and that is what is under dispute. I like Niklas, he's straightforward - he negotiates hard, but he's always been fair - and will respect someone fighting their corner. But he does not miss many tricks - which is why he's got the IP in Joltid and has the licence - he got some good advice at the time, and unlike many, he took it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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