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Gender pay gap widens

Women are still paid almost 23 percent less than men on average in Britain but the economy could benefit by up to 23 billion pounds if that gap were closed, a report showed on Wednesday.

The Women and Work Commission, set up in 2004 to examine the causes of wide gender disparities in pay and opportunities, said that while the pay gap has narrowed in the last 10 years, it has widened again since 2007.

"The gender pay gap stubbornly persists despite monumental changes in women's position in the workplace with the employment rate for women now almost 70 percent," the report said.

"Much more should and can be done to unlock women's talent. If this is done, the UK economy could benefit by up to 23 billion pounds."

The commission pointed to a failure of "small scale and sporadic" efforts to break down gender stereotypes in schools and urged the government to focus its efforts there.

"Often without even thinking about it, young girls can choose to role-play at being 'teachers' for example, while boys might choose 'builders,'" it said.

"This segregation is ingrained in our culture and has significant implications for the career choices that young men and women make and, in the long run, their future earnings."

It also said women often faced penalties because they take time out of the labour market to care for family members or work part-time in a bid to balance work and home responsibilities.

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Hmm. Well I would tend to agree with that last bit, as the bloody maternity leave legislation of 39 weeks here in the UK crippling for SME's.

But hey, this is Britain. Boys get all the goods, same as it ever was.

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So does anyone have stats on the correlation of a man's height with his pay? Last time I saw stats on this, the headline male/female pay gap was worth just under four inches of height, suggesting that an average woman is actually paid fractionally more than a man of the same height!

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So does anyone have stats on the correlation of a man's height with his pay? Last time I saw stats on this, the headline male/female pay gap was worth just under four inches of height, suggesting that an average woman is actually paid fractionally more than a man of the same height!

Hmm didnot see the pay gap widen in the wimbledon finals. Hmm lets see 800k for the winner. irrespective of no. of sets you play. :P

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Women go for less promotions.

Women take more days off sick.

Women take more time off for long term leave (Usually pregnancy)

If women got paid the same on average as men ? It would be ******ing scandalous.

Yet that is what they want.

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The only fair pay is revenue and profit related performance based pay. Obviously with a lot of regulation in some industries, as we all know.

And yes, people have written countless books countering this, and none can provide a more pragmatic alternative.

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The Women and Work Commission (self justifying Quango), brings out a report to reaffirm the existence and 'causes of wide gender disparities in pay and opportunities'.

Call me cynical but, all sorts of legislation in place, people get paid what they are worth - this should bear some relation to the value they add.

Male, female, black, white, etc. should have no relevance.

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Businesses should be compensated by the government for their losses when an employee takes time off for pregnancy or childcare. Then they'd have no incentive to discriminate when hiring or promoting on the grounds that a woman might take time off to perform the essential work of having and raising children.

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The figures they use are distorted and about as accurate as CPI/RPI. It is total rubbish.

However, we live in a patriarchal society that needs serious overhauling, the gender pay gap however simply doesn't exist, and reports like this are simply used to justify the existence of the quango that wrote it. What do you think they are going to say, "no problem here", they would be disbanded if that happened.

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Yep real gains to be made here. Just look at how well our economy is doing now that women are fully employed at all levels just like men. How our industry has advanced up the ranks of global competitiveness with the addition of women workers.

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Women go for less promotions.

Not true for me!

Women take more days off sick.

Not true for me. I have not been off work sick for years! My male colleagues? Well that's another story..

Women take more time off for long term leave (Usually pregnancy)

Agreed and but is a natural part of life, is it not? After all you can't do it..

If women got paid the same on average as men ? It would be ******ing scandalous.

Why? I earn more than many of my male colleagues because I am better! What's your point? I expect to be rewarded based on my performance not my gender.

Yet that is what they want.

Confused.com

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............Then they'd have no incentive to discriminate when hiring or promoting on the grounds that a woman might take time off to perform the essential work of having and raising children.

Agreed.

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Why? I earn more than many of my male colleagues because I am better! What's your point? I expect to be rewarded based on my performance not my gender.

Yet that is what they want.

Confused.com

You are not really helping your cause are you !! :rolleyes:

We are talking about AVERAGE pay here. Not how much you get.

People do generally get paid on their performance etc..

Hence why a working group that generally takes more time off, has career breaks, and doesn't go for as many pomotions - generally get lower pay than others.

It is incredibly simple. Not even worthy of discussion, never mind an expensive quango talking nonsense.

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Yet in our society women don't get paid for staying home and having children. Both the left egalitarians and the right capitalists want women as working units.

In Scandinavia they have maternity leave of 2 years, and seem to have generous social programs like child care. If I was in charge I'd also put in income splitting for taxes, and generous tax credits per child.

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Businesses should be compensated by the government for their losses when an employee takes time off for pregnancy or childcare. Then they'd have no incentive to discriminate when hiring or promoting on the grounds that a woman might take time off to perform the essential work of having and raising children.

back outside of LaLa Land, if you are off work, you have less experience and capability, so you get paid less. That's the way it is.

If I have two 6 year qualified lawyers, one of whom has spent 2 of the last six years on maternity leave and the other has not, should they be paid the same (all other things being equal) - no, one of them only has 4 years experience and almost always, less capability because of it. Most jobs are not reach a level and just plod through - at least not in white collar work.

If the one who has been on maternity leave is better, then she geta paid more than the 6 year always at work one. But that is a real rarity.

It's common sense, pay people for how good they are and how hard they work - oh, we already do that...... but it does not suit those with a vested interest.

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Businesses should be compensated by the government for their losses when an employee takes time off for pregnancy or childcare. Then they'd have no incentive to discriminate when hiring or promoting on the grounds that a woman might take time off to perform the essential work of having and raising children.

Excellent post. It would also stop discrimination against women who cannot or will not have children.

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I hate this sickening belief that women on average should be earning the same as men when there is a huge cultural and mental difference between the thinking of men and women in Western culture. There are more men driven to management positions or self-employed etc, men are more likely to take risks, more driven in my opinion compared to women.

There are genuine reasons why men are earning more than women in today's society, and while in the past (say 50+ years ago!) there may have been a lot of sexism, now the remaining gap is mostly for cultural reasons rather than discrimination.

If they end up forcing womens pay higher, that's discrimination of the highest order against men, but hell they already discriminate against all white people with these minority recruitment checks so it's not a big leap :rolleyes:

This is a socialist nightmare as depicted in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged, they don't want people to think for themselves as free thinking individuals but just one large group where everyone should have the same pay, act the same, think the same, and above all else be obedient and loyal surfs to the great leaders.

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Excellent post. It would also stop discrimination against women who cannot or will not have children.

do you work in the public sector.

how do you just simple replace senior people for 6 months at a time without totally disrupting the business ? Will you also pay for the training for th eir replacements whilst they are off.

How can you ask someone if they are going to not have kids without ending up on a large tribunal claim.

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back outside of LaLa Land, if you are off work, you have less experience and capability, so you get paid less. That's the way it is.

If I have two 6 year qualified lawyers, one of whom has spent 2 of the last six years on maternity leave and the other has not, should they be paid the same (all other things being equal) - no, one of them only has 4 years experience and almost always, less capability because of it. Most jobs are not reach a level and just plod through - at least not in white collar work.

If the one who has been on maternity leave is better, then she geta paid more than the 6 year always at work one. But that is a real rarity.

It's common sense, pay people for how good they are and how hard they work - oh, we already do that...... but it does not suit those with a vested interest.

Did you actually read what I wrote?

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