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“This kind of Government support should be unremarkable,†chief executive Sir John Rose said at a meeting co-hosted with Lord Mandelson, the business secretary. “Other countries have and support an industrial strategy. In that context its encouraging that over the last year or so, such progress has been made to support advanced manufacturing.â€

Rolls will invest more than £300m, including £45m of Government funding, in four UK factories working on parts for aeroplane engines and nuclear power equipment. The investment will create or sustain 800 jobs.

Sir John said Rolls weighs whether a government is behind highly-skilled manufacturing when deciding where to invest. Such a signal in Britain will also encourage more students to pursue science and engineering, he said, plugging a skills gap which has developed while financial services was the pet sector.

Lord Mandelson defended the Government’s record on investing in industry, saying: “I don’t think the Government has just woken up to manufacturing. But we, like others, had taken for granted too much that our national wealth would continue to be grown by the financial services sector."

Rolls-Royce also announced plans for a new engine fan-blade factory in Singapore, as part of a £300m investment in the country which also includes a previously-announced Trent engine testing and asssembly facility. The company already has a factory making the blades in Barnoldswick in Lancashire, but almost half of Rolls' orders now come from the Asia Pacific region, and the company wants easier access to customers there.

I think it's fair to say we do produce some of the best engines in the world, although we need more of this sort of investment rather than giving money to banks whose only skill is to skim off the top and do nothing productive.

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If oil costs go up lots and people are poorer then there may be less demand for jet-setting, and less need for aeroplane engines. What on earth makes this gobvt think it has a crystal ball? And are we really surprised that a large company like RR is in favour of govt support of their own interests?

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Best engines, best racing cars, we have the ability to produce the best military aircraft (if not a feasible budget)

But (and I have said this before) we have a seriously deluded myopic one eyed Scottish cun_nt in charge with a bit of roadkill as his lacky boy, and the world's premier gay career bitch as his stalking horse

Can we really expect any sense from this lot?

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Best engines, best racing cars, we have the ability to produce the best military aircraft (if not a feasible budget)

But (and I have said this before) we have a seriously deluded myopic one eyed Scottish cun_nt in charge with a bit of roadkill as his lacky boy, and the world's premier gay career bitch as his stalking horse

Can we really expect any sense from this lot?

we also engineer the best vacuum cleaners, hand dryers, and invented the ball barrow!

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Rolls will invest more than £300m, including £45m of Government funding, in four UK factories working on parts for aeroplane engines and nuclear power equipment. The investment will create or sustain 800 jobs.
Rolls-Royce also announced plans for a new engine fan-blade factory in Singapore, as part of a £300m investment in the country which also includes a previously-announced Trent engine testing and asssembly facility.

haha love it

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If oil costs go up lots and people are poorer then there may be less demand for jet-setting, and less need for aeroplane engines. What on earth makes this gobvt think it has a crystal ball? And are we really surprised that a large company like RR is in favour of govt support of their own interests?

"If oil costs go up lots and people are poorer then there may be less demand for jet-setting, and less need for aeroplane engines"

They can be used for other things IIRC including marine and power generation

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haha love it

A year of my uni days was spent working designing, testing and manufacturing turbine blades (hot parts).

Its something we are remarkably good at. The technology is constantly coming along; its something that is competitive as CPU manufacture in the computer industry. Squeezing 1% extra efficiency per engine can lead to massive cost savings across the life of a turbine.

I am glad the government are supporting rolls, I am just gutted they are not doing more for them. 45 million is nothing.

We could have a centre for aeronautical/aerospace excellence, with leading uni researchers and PHD studes working alongside industry, all funded by the government and subsidised by industry. New technology could be licensed by government and a small levvy could continue the research into new technology.

Wind power

Tidal power

Space avionics

Turbine and high performance turbofan research, unducted fans...

all areas which could do with further research, yet no centre of excellence... infuriating.

We used to have the RAE, the Royal Aeronautical establishment. I think Now would be a good time to create something similar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Aircraft_Establishment

ref uses for turbines, the old RR olympus (Concorde, vulcan) was also used as a powerplant for ships such as the QE2...

LOTS of uses for turbines, including producing electricity from steam.

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"If oil costs go up lots and people are poorer then there may be less demand for jet-setting, and less need for aeroplane engines"

They can be used for other things IIRC including marine and power generation

fair enough. my point is, tho, that instead of taxing people in order to put that money back into application X (and they are investing in factories with specific functions so I am assuming these cannot be so easily adapted), why not just stop taxing people and let the market decide? the same money is available to industry - just without spurious govt 'insight'

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fair enough. my point is, tho, that instead of taxing people in order to put that money back into application X (and they are investing in factories with specific functions so I am assuming these cannot be so easily adapted), why not just stop taxing people and let the market decide? the same money is available to industry - just without spurious govt 'insight'

Tell that to General Electric who recieve MASSIVE grants from the US government (and rolls directly compete with). You would have industry going bust overnight without government support for research.

Same with Airbus and Boeing.

Rolls quite literally are world leaders. To let them go down the tubes would be a travesty. There are patents held by rolls that would blow your socks off as an aerospace engineer...

Dynamically adjustable piezoelectric blades, Single crystal technology, sintered powder disks... this stuff costs serious money to research and the technology doesnt JUST benefit gas turbine technology. It has a multitude of uses.

You want all that to dissapear overseas?

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fair enough. my point is, tho, that instead of taxing people in order to put that money back into application X (and they are investing in factories with specific functions so I am assuming these cannot be so easily adapted), why not just stop taxing people and let the market decide? the same money is available to industry - just without spurious govt 'insight'

Because our international competitors, observing that we still believe in all that free-market jizz, slip some of their taxpayers money into their own high-tech firms, and knock us out of the market.

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Tell that to General Electric who recieve MASSIVE grants from the US government (and rolls directly compete with). You would have industry going bust overnight without government support for research.

Same with Airbus and Boeing.

Rolls quite literally are world leaders. To let them go down the tubes would be a travesty. There are patents held by rolls that would blow your socks off as an aerospace engineer...

Dynamically adjustable piezoelectric blades, Single crystal technology, sintered powder disks... this stuff costs serious money to research and the technology doesnt JUST benefit gas turbine technology. It has a multitude of uses.

You want all that to dissapear overseas?

(1) I agree, regrettably, that we have to compete with US for certain degrees of protectionism, also that some projects are so large that they require govt protection (Boeing 747 was implicitly protected by parallel military projects in Boeing, for example, and airbus A380 has state guaranteed loans)

(2) my only problem with it going overseas is if it is bought for a reasonable sum - if in the recession it is transiently undervalued then yes I would oppose this. Fact remains, even if RR had overseas owners, then it would be a massive effort for them to move the manufacturing and R&D divisions overseas - few countries can paralell our universities, and I suspect moving specialist turbine manufacture equipment is a harder job than, say, when the Chinese bought Rover and shipped their machines away

(3) Even if they do ship it away,providing a reasonable price was paid, so what? It only implies that we can't do it efficiently - ergo operating at a loss, so why should I subsisidise this? Why shouldn't we do something we're good at instead and make money?

(4) all the above is qualified by national security implications of maintaining a strong domestic military industry.

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A year of my uni days was spent working designing, testing and manufacturing turbine blades (hot parts).

Its something we are remarkably good at. The technology is constantly coming along; its something that is competitive as CPU manufacture in the computer industry. Squeezing 1% extra efficiency per engine can lead to massive cost savings across the life of a turbine.

I am glad the government are supporting rolls, I am just gutted they are not doing more for them. 45 million is nothing.

We could have a centre for aeronautical/aerospace excellence, with leading uni researchers and PHD studes working alongside industry, all funded by the government and subsidised by industry. New technology could be licensed by government and a small levvy could continue the research into new technology.

Wind power

Tidal power

Space avionics

Turbine and high performance turbofan research, unducted fans...

all areas which could do with further research, yet no centre of excellence... infuriating.

We used to have the RAE, the Royal Aeronautical establishment. I think Now would be a good time to create something similar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Aircraft_Establishment

ref uses for turbines, the old RR olympus (Concorde, vulcan) was also used as a powerplant for ships such as the QE2...

LOTS of uses for turbines, including producing electricity from steam.

I thought the best engineering designers were from coventry university.

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(1) I agree, regrettably, that we have to compete with US for certain degrees of protectionism, also that some projects are so large that they require govt protection (Boeing 747 was implicitly protected by parallel military projects in Boeing, for example, and airbus A380 has state guaranteed loans)

(2) my only problem with it going overseas is if it is bought for a reasonable sum - if in the recession it is transiently undervalued then yes I would oppose this. Fact remains, even if RR had overseas owners, then it would be a massive effort for them to move the manufacturing and R&D divisions overseas - few countries can paralell our universities, and I suspect moving specialist turbine manufacture equipment is a harder job than, say, when the Chinese bought Rover and shipped their machines away

(3) Even if they do ship it away,providing a reasonable price was paid, so what? It only implies that we can't do it efficiently - ergo operating at a loss, so why should I subsisidise this? Why shouldn't we do something we're good at instead and make money?

(4) all the above is qualified by national security implications of maintaining a strong domestic military industry.

They are very reluctant to do anything in china because of their penchant for nicking ideas. The secret to a good turbine is quite simply good materials technology. They aint going to move that overseas in case they get their ideas nicked. For example, metal powder sintering is a technology the chinks would pay good cash for.

Laser cutting technology, single crystal metals, lost wax processing and balloon formed blades are all world leading technologies we want to keep closed doors.

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lost wax processing

Amazing isn't it, cutting edge aerospace using a thousands of years old technology. I know Rolls actively research other ways of making their cores and shells but good old investment casting won't be going away any time soon.

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