piece of paper Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Yup. Securitization -- fuelled/fed by by LIAR LOANS. The Greatest Con in History. Have you got swine flu Eric? Your liar loans looks decidedly weak and wan today. p-o-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elizabeth Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 The power of the people is always most easily corrupted when it is abrogated into the hands of a corruptible few.Because of this the People feel disillusioned by the politicians and disenfranchised by the system. This is precisely why Parliament needs huge reform: (1) Frequent use of public referenda to faciliate the expression of the People's will. (2) A means whereby that will can be introduced to Parliament on behalf of The People following those referenda in the form of a paper. (3) Elected members of Parliament shape that paper in legal terms as a bill of Parliament. (4) The People ultimately sanction whether that bill, having been shaped by Parliament, becomes law (to prevent their will being perverted by members of Parliament). (5) The power to dismiss Parliament and call a general election. Essentially this would mean The People themselves set the agenda not political parties and members of Parliament become legal consultants to The People. Not sure this would work without some genuine devolution. It's still centralised and it still means that 'the people' (the 'perifery' in Edward Said's work) always focus toward the centre. The people should be focusing towards themselves and their local communities and be valid in doing so and not dictated to in terms of their activities by the rules of central government or the need to shout into the wind towards power. Power always centralises and then corrupts. Its human nature to form groups and anytime you have people working together and spending more time together (politicians in parliament) they will start to identify more with 'the people that understand' than the people that don't. What is really needed is some form of true devolution. London listens only to itself. I once heard a senior government bureaucrats tell a meeting that in London local government was seen as a 'benign force'. Extended to mean that they don't really see local government as having much value or power except as the administrative arm of central government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spp Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Good article on our fraudulent Monetary System here. This is from September 12, 1999...I wonder what he'd be saying now! The beneficiaries of the fraud are mostly those in the financial sector of the economy, very large corporations, and the politicians they finance. The victims are everybody else, but especially ordinary people who are dependent upon the integrity of our monetary system for their savings, their pensions, and their jobs. http://www.usagold.com/parkspresident.html If you don't have any Gold/Silver with all this debt/printing of money going on, you are pretty crazy IMO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erranta Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 John Maynard Keynes Ex Eton, Ex Cambridge University and member of secret "Apostles" Society. Set up the "framework" of German WW.1 repatriation amounts at Versailles 1919 - which caused (within 5 yrs) German economic collapse leading to German Nation's resentment and the appearance/rise of Hitler! May 30, 1919 �" Prominent British and American personalities establish the Royal Institute of International Affairs in England and the Institute of International Affairs in the U.S. at a meeting arranged by Col. House; attended by various Fabian socialists, including noted economist John Maynard Keynes. He was a KEEN fan of "The Road to Serfdom" by FriedRich Hayek published 1944 An eye opener > "which had significantly shaped the political ideologies of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan and the concepts of Thatcherism and of Reaganomics" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_to_Serfdom "Those who are good at acquiring and exercising discretionary powers in government are usually the most ruthless and corrupt individuals." Explains many of those in Parliament today - as we have seen! For Hayek “the road to serfdom†inadvertently set upon by central planning, with its dismantling of the free market system, ends in the destruction of all individual economic and personal freedom. Hayek’s central thesis is that all forms of collectivism tend towards tyranny and he used the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany as examples of countries which had gone down “the road to serfdom†and reached tyranny. My thoughts With Thatcherism as an example, she destroyed the UK Midlands/North engineering and other viable business' through carefully placed union "stooges" - who then demanded the impossible and their "followers" lost everything! Then took everyones mind off it, with the Falklands war! Very clever! Two decades or so later Zer Fuhrer anounces a zillion times "We are a (Centralized) 'SERVICE' Eco_nomy!" I suggest you might look at the book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 John Maynard Keynes Ex Eton, Ex Cambridge University and member of secret "Apostles" Society. Set up the "framework" of German WW.1 repatriation amounts at Versailles 1919 - which caused (within 5 yrs) German economic collapse leading to German Nation's resentment and the appearance/rise of Hitler! May 30, 1919 �" Prominent British and American personalities establish the Royal Institute of International Affairs in England and the Institute of International Affairs in the U.S. at a meeting arranged by Col. House; attended by various Fabian socialists, including noted economist John Maynard Keynes. He was a KEEN fan of "The Road to Serfdom" by FriedRich Hayek published 1944 An eye opener > "which had significantly shaped the political ideologies of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan and the concepts of Thatcherism and of Reaganomics" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_to_Serfdom "Those who are good at acquiring and exercising discretionary powers in government are usually the most ruthless and corrupt individuals." Explains many of those in Parliament today - as we have seen! My thoughts With Thatcherism as an example, she destroyed the UK Midlands/North engineering and other viable business' through carefully placed union "stooges" - who then demanded the impossible and their "followers" lost everything! Then took everyones mind off it, with the Falklands war! Very clever! Two decades or so later Zer Fuhrer anounces a zillion times "We are a (Centralized) 'SERVICE' Eco_nomy!" I suggest you might look at the book. yeah maggie led the revolt before she even came to power.....totally beleivable...NOT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erranta Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 (edited) She was REMOVED from No.10 because she was becoming too obvious! In 1988, the ITV company Thames Television made Death on the Rock, an investigative documentary that lifted a veil on the British secret state under Margaret Thatcher, describing how an SAS team had murdered four unarmed IRA members in Gibraltar with their hands in the air. The message was clear: Thatcher was willing to use death squads. Now wait to see what the Ex Oxford/Old Etonian Cameron brigade have laying in wait for you! Edited July 26, 2009 by erranta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeenItAllBefore Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 She was REMOVED from No.10 because she was becoming too obvious!Now wait to see what the Ex Oxford/Old Etonian Cameron brigade have laying in wait for you! Can it possibly be any worse than what the Left have done to this country since the War? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpy-old-man-returns Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 yeah right everytime I see that chart it amazes me. it's the width on that chart that should scare everyone. Everything has been sucked into this housing boom....EVERYTHING. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrentyieldmakessense(honest!) Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 John Maynard Keynes He was a KEEN fan of "The Road to Serfdom" by FriedRich Hayek published 1944 I suggest you might look at the book. keynes a fan of the book? keynes was a fan of hitlers economic policy hitlers economics and for those who cant be bothered to read the book http://mises.org/books/TRTS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrentyieldmakessense(honest!) Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 http://mises.org/books/TRTS/ how about a new political party before we all end up as debt slaves the freedom party (libertarian is too long and people dont understand what it means) the party without a plan the do nothing party the tax payers party the party for limited government or alternatively the shopping party the easy money party the benefit party the tax credit alliance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeGG Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Did you see this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I0QN-FYkpw He also wrote a book in 2007 about the coming economic crisis. These days he also gave some very well explained predictions It's easy to say that nobody predicted the crisis... nobody from the Keynes' fans, nobody ignored because it's in another, better economic paradigm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric pebble Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Did you see this?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I0QN-FYkpw He also wrote a book in 2007 about the coming economic crisis. These days he also gave some very well explained predictions It's easy to say that nobody predicted the crisis... nobody from the Keynes' fans, nobody ignored because it's in another, better economic paradigm. Thing is.... ANYONE with half a brain could have seen all this.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 http://mises.org/books/TRTS/how about a new political party before we all end up as debt slaves the freedom party (libertarian is too long and people dont understand what it means) the party without a plan the do nothing party the tax payers party the party for limited government or alternatively the shopping party the easy money party the benefit party the tax credit alliance I vote for Mr R Madeley, of the "we say, you pay" party. ( Lines are closed but that wont stop us cashing in) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric pebble Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 I vote for Mr R Madeley, of the "we say, you pay" party. ( Lines are closed but that wont stop us cashing in) Yeah!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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