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Seeing both Goldman and the Fed being roasted in the media lately is interesting in part because of the source of much of the fuel- the web. Have all the old guys at the top missed a trick here, and failed to understand that their control of the media was incomplete?

Maybe it's hard for a generation not born into it to really get how much the web has changed the world, and how quickly ideas can spread and grow online.

I can't see them leaving the web alone much longer though- it's really messing with their ability to control the agenda. I forsee a move to 'protect' the public from free access to information in the near future- no doubt using porn or terrorism wrappers to sell the idea to joe public. :(

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Seeing both Goldman and the Fed being roasted in the media lately is interesting in part because of the source of much of the fuel- the web. Have all the old guys at the top missed a trick here, and failed to understand that their control of the media was incomplete?

Maybe it's hard for a generation not born into it to really get how much the web has changed the world, and how quickly ideas can spread and grow online.

I can't see them leaving the web alone much longer though- it's really messing with their ability to control the agenda. I forsee a move to 'protect' the public from free access to information in the near future- no doubt using porn or terrorism wrappers to sell the idea to joe public. :(

These are the "wild west" days of the internet. Regulation and control will come hard and heavy as time passes.

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The good thing about the web is that the ISP's can be located anywhere. So regulations brought into one country will only affect that country (there is no such thing as International Law.... there are only agreements, and when agreed they are signed in to National Law).

So, an ISP could be set up in Burkino Faso or The Marshall Islands... take your pick. Provided they haven't signed up to any international agreements, there's nothing anyone can do, save blow the country to bits a la Iraq.

So, the web will survive as long as we have a multi-polar world.

In order to suppress the web, then One World Gumment will need to brought in.... which is what is going on at the moment, In My Humble Opinion.

I think it will fail. There is a race going on.... exposure versus control. The Truth Will Out.

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There is a race going on.... exposure versus control. The Truth Will Out.

I think there is a tendancy amongst the old guard to see the web as 'just' another channel- I don't think they've fully woken up to the fact that the low barriers to entry have created a space for voices that are articulate, informed and beyond their control.

In the past anyone who made it as far as a tv studio or newsroom was more or less neutered by the time they arrived.

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I think there is a tendancy amongst the old guard to see the web as 'just' another channel- I don't think they've fully woken up to the fact that the low barriers to entry have created a space for voices that are articulate, informed and beyond their control.

In the past anyone who made it as far as a tv studio or newsroom was more or less neutered by the time they arrived.

Personally I think we're going to see a lot more trolling and thus a degradation of the signal to noise. If nothing else it'll be something to do with all those unemployed mortgage advisers etc.

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I dont think anyone can stop it. That cat is out the bag, the can of worms is open, Pandoras box cannot be closed.

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Maybe it's hard for a generation not born into it to really get how much the web has changed the world, and how quickly ideas can spread and grow online.
I doubt it. Plenty of older people are just as au-fait with the web as younger people are. Ideas can spread and grow rapidly online, but most wither and die. Edited by blankster

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I doubt it. Plenty of older people are just as au-fait with the web as younger people are. Ideas can spread and grow rapidly online, but most wither and die.

Well,as an older person myself, I do agree- but to me there is a divide between those who grew up in a pre web environment and those for whom the web is second nature. I'm not talking technology here, more culture. It's the culture of the web that I think is not so well grasped by older people- things like facebook are truly alien to most older people, for example.

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The good thing about the web is that the ISP's can be located anywhere. So regulations brought into one country will only affect that country (there is no such thing as International Law.... there are only agreements, and when agreed they are signed in to National Law).

So, an ISP could be set up in Burkino Faso or The Marshall Islands... take your pick. Provided they haven't signed up to any international agreements, there's nothing anyone can do, save blow the country to bits a la Iraq.

So, the web will survive as long as we have a multi-polar world.

In order to suppress the web, then One World Gumment will need to brought in.... which is what is going on at the moment, In My Humble Opinion.

I think it will fail. There is a race going on.... exposure versus control. The Truth Will Out.

so how do we stop it

along with

crony capitalism

the illusion of democracy

loss of freedoms

bankers controlling the currency supply

ever expanding State (i know it will collapse under its own weight eventually)

media control

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Well,as an older person myself, I do agree- but to me there is a divide between those who grew up in a pre web environment and those for whom the web is second nature. I'm not talking technology here, more culture. It's the culture of the web that I think is not so well grasped by older people- things like facebook are truly alien to most older people, for example.
I'm over 50, I took to computers and the web like a duck to water, it's part of my culture - we didn't even have a computer until about 10 years ago. On the other hand I haven't become part of the mobile phone and texting culture - I do have a mobile and I know how to text but for me it's just something to use if I need it.

If you think back a few years to when camcorders were becoming popular, it was the older generation who seemed to be the early adopters, maybe because they were so expensive and they wanted to have videos of grandchildren, holidays etc.

In order to suppress the web, then One World Gumment will need to brought in....
Only to some extent. If a country brings in laws to control peoples' use of the web, a lot of people will toe the line - as with things that are illegal already - there will always be those who break the rules, like now. Edited by blankster

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Personally I think we're going to see a lot more trolling and thus a degradation of the signal to noise. If nothing else it'll be something to do with all those unemployed mortgage advisers etc.

This is indeed happening...

Israel’s Foreign Ministry is reported to be establishing a special undercover team of paid workers whose job it will be to surf the internet 24 hours a day spreading positive news about Israel.

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I'm over 50, I took to computers and the web like a duck to water, it's part of my culture

I actualy taught myself to use 3D animation software and made a living out of it at the age of about 35, but I still don't have a facebook page, or feel really part of that culture somehow. It's a bit like pop music- you have your era, the time that music worked for you, but after a while the new stuff that comes along just feels alien somehow.

Bit of food for thought here (both pro and con).

Interesting analogy- and I think about right- it's not so easy to really get into a culture that you have not grown up with.

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Jay Rockefeller may deny knowledge of his family’s intimate connections to eugenics and abortion — and direct involvement in Hitler’s genocidal rampage across Europe — but the record is out there for all to see. It is easily researched on the internet.

And maybe that is why Jay Rockefeller mused during a Senate committee hearing a few months ago that we’d all be better off if the internet never existed. Minus the internet and search engines, it will be far easier to lead the masses to near extinction if they go ignorantly blissful like lambs to the slaughter with little more resistance than a bleat.

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There are some very serious upcoming threats to net neutrality and freedom. Hosting offshore solves nothing as your home country's ISPs can be ordered to filter anything out as in the Great Firewall of China. We may end up having to build homegrown local wifi mesh networks, and defend them, to regain digital free speech :(

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Some one needs to archive the internet - or it will be deleted in the new world of regulation.

Just like when Hitler, burned all those books.

Information will be lost forever, and the new "truth" becomes gospel. History will be rewrote by the winners.

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Well,as an older person myself, I do agree- but to me there is a divide between those who grew up in a pre web environment and those for whom the web is second nature. I'm not talking technology here, more culture. It's the culture of the web that I think is not so well grasped by older people- things like facebook are truly alien to most older people, for example.

As an older person (not that old, but old enough to remember operator assisted dialing!) what I find great about the web is the ability to have a discussion with like minded people... and less like minded people :D from across the globe. that is where the ideas come from, and for me the enjoyment. But I think it is very much of the nature of people will travel where their interest lie. The web is just a hyperreal adventure space. Things like facebook are simply the extension of social chitter chatter for those with a short concentration span and little interest in world events - just world fashion, making friends, hanging out etc. So I don't think it has changed to nature of people, just the potential to share and develop ideas for those who want to. But it does mean that in sharing ideas and ways of thinking those can be available to a much wider audience of fellow travellers to use in their own local space.

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Seeing both Goldman and the Fed being roasted in the media lately is interesting in part because of the source of much of the fuel- the web. Have all the old guys at the top missed a trick here, and failed to understand that their control of the media was incomplete?

Maybe it's hard for a generation not born into it to really get how much the web has changed the world, and how quickly ideas can spread and grow online.

I can't see them leaving the web alone much longer though- it's really messing with their ability to control the agenda. I forsee a move to 'protect' the public from free access to information in the near future- no doubt using porn or terrorism wrappers to sell the idea to joe public. :(

5bn in bonuses say they dont give a damn,

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5bn in bonuses say they dont give a damn,

They've never cared mush about free speech.

You can say whatever you want, they know that it's actions that count.

Whinge but pay your taxes and obey all orders is fine by them.

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