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We have yet another piece of evidence to confirm what sensible people always knew and that is that economic migrants from Eastern Europe make a massive contribution to the British economy.

Research shows EU immigrants pay their way.

... a study of the contributions and likely claims of those who have been in the country for at least a year - and who are therefore eligible to claim benefits - shows they are 60 per cent less likely than natives to receive state benefits or tax credits, and 58 per cent less likely to live in social housing.

In addition the study, using the four years worth of data available since 2004, shows, “they contribute significantly more to the tax and benefit system than they receive,†Professor Dustmann who heads the Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration at UCL said.

In the last tax year - 2008/09 - immigrants from accession countries paid 37 per cent more in direct and indirect taxes than they received in benefits and from public services such as education, the NHS or social housing, the study calculates.

Over the same period, given that the government was running a budget in which more was spent than raised in taxes, UK born individuals contributed 20 per cent less than they received.

I wonder what the Daily Mail-reading knuckle draggers will say about this?

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immigrants from accession countries paid 37 per cent more in direct and indirect taxes than they received in benefits and from public services

Over the same period UK born individuals contributed 20 per cent less than they received.

What is the point of that comparison?

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I wonder what the Daily Mail-reading knuckle draggers will say about this?

You already know.

But they will be along to post something moronic any minute :D

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I don't think many people have a problem per se with Eastern European immigrants who come to the UK to work.

Their problem is with the perception that the government is using them as cheap labour and a means of keeping wage inflation down, while avoiding the need to address the problem of welfare dependancy and poor education/training of the natives.

Edited by Austin Allegro

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We have yet another piece of evidence to confirm what sensible people always knew and that is that economic migrants from Eastern Europe make a massive contribution to the British economy.

Research shows EU immigrants pay their way.

I wonder what the Daily Mail-reading knuckle draggers will say about this?

The text you've highlighted shows that the Brits (who are no longer in work) now take out more from the system via benefits etc. Gee- Bears pooh in the woods shocker.!! I can't blame your typical Pole for wanting to earn some cash (and learn English at the same time). I just can't understand how it benefits Britain as a whole to keep increasing the number of native born "unemployables" whose only crime is to be looked down upon by an alliance of capitalist and Guardianistas who seemingly fear the (ex)-working-class. Who on earth worked in shops, farms, factories etc before the new accession countries joined the EU? Martians?

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I just can't understand how it benefits Britain as a whole to keep increasing the number of native born "unemployables" whose only crime is to be looked down upon by an alliance of capitalist and Guardianistas who seemingly fear the (ex)-working-class. Who on earth worked in shops, farms, factories etc before the new accession countries joined the EU? Martians?

It doesn't ... possibly

1) the natives are being discriminated against

2) eu workers are better trained?

3) the natives are not prepared to forgo the lifestyle/economic changes needed to compete on low wages. Why live in a HIMO when the Council will pay your council flat rent?

4) Also a lot of low skill/temporary work a has now been taken over my foreigners. This tends to make this work less attractive to natives.

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We have yet another piece of evidence to confirm what sensible people always knew and that is that economic migrants from Eastern Europe make a massive contribution to the British economy.

Research shows EU immigrants pay their way.

I wonder what the Daily Mail-reading knuckle draggers will say about this?

Don't know about them, can't stand the Daily Wail, and got no particular beef with immigrants, however this quoted bit seems utterly moronic.

You can't compare total state expenditure against income tax receipts to come up with a 20 per cent deficit and then compare that to the personal payments and received benefits for immigrants!

1. What about corporate tax receipts and other sources of government income?

2. What about other "benefits" that we all have to pay for and receive, like the military, or interest service payments? Apparently they should only count on the debit side for the native population!

3. Suprise suprise: employed people with the wherewithal to relocate internationally pay more taxes than they get in benefits. So why compare them to the total UK population rather than just the young employed ones?

4. What about money remitted home by immigrants and therefore not spent here as it otherwise would have been?

5. To understand the economic benefit of immigrant labour you have to compare not to no labour but to native labour. An immigrant doing a job that a native on benefits could have done may end up being a net cost, no matter how many taxes they pay. Their wages are a cost, after all. In effect we are paying so the guy on benefits can have a holiday, getting in outside help to cover their job. This is a non-trivial comparison. In order to claim that immigrants benefit economic activity, you need to show a net increase in that activity compared to a hypothetical alternative. That is not simply a matter of adding up taxes payed and subtracting benefits.

Edited by mirage

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What is the point of that comparison?

It is there to see if anyone has their brain switched on.

If they quote it in an OP without criticism, they don't.

Edited by mirage

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Most immigrants are not from Europe though, they`re from the third-world:

"According to the figures released by the Office for National Statistics, the largest single group of immigrants were 121,000 arrivals from "new commonwealth" nations - principally, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India and Sri Lanka."

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We have yet another piece of evidence to confirm what sensible people always knew and that is that economic migrants from Eastern Europe make a massive contribution to the British economy.

Research shows EU immigrants pay their way.

I wonder what the Daily Mail-reading knuckle draggers will say about this?

The "knuckle-draggers" (Mail readers seem to be on the whole aspirational middle-class and female, but don't bother to correct yourself as your statement already paints a telling picture of your political colours), don't have a problem with hard-working EU migrants though do they?

If you read the FT regularly, you will know that they always write pro-immigration pieces, as it provides their target readership with cheap labour that undercuts the indigenous population.

But well done on displaying your 6th-form common room level of political ignorance to the whole world via the internet!

Edited by Grime- skint wouldbe ftb

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No one cares much about the hard working foreigners who come to our country, dont cause a fuss, and pay their tax and their way.

It's the thosuand of free loading scum we dont want here.

Unfortunately it's hard to seperate the two so the only solution....well, tell 'em all to P.O.

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Polish, Czech and other immigrants from the countries that joined the EU in 2004 have more than paid their way, contributing more in taxes than they receive in benefits and services from the UK welfare state, according to new research.

But taxes don't only pay for the welfare state.

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I wonder what the Daily Mail-reading knuckle draggers will say about this?

I don't read the Daily Mail that often but thought the actual article was b*llocks.

Just taking a snapshot over the last 1 or 4 years means nothing. These have been, up to recently, boom times so what do people expect?

As ever, if migrants enter this country work and return home fine. If they stay, then we are in big trouble as their "minimum wage" contribution to the economy will be dwarfed by their long term costs if they become chronically sick, remain into their old age or bring non-earning dependents into the country.

I read somewhere that, on average, for an individual to cover their lifetime "burden" on the state they will need to earn an average of £27k PA over their entire careers. Not many migrants will fall into that category!

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I always find it remarkable that we even bother to question the effect of immigration on our country when we are beheld with a criminally bankrupt economy and a thorough infestation of immorality throughout government and society.

we need to look closer for our real problems :ph34r:

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UK PLC was quick to take on 100s of K's of EE immigrants in order to keep the big boys happy, ie wages down. Funny how big business always talk about market forces, but when up against real market forces, ie having to put wages up to keep people interested in low level jobs they run to the government pleading poverty and begging for mass importation of cheap labour. If you think about it, if the UK couldnt keep ticking over when we had say 58million population, how will having another million or so make it so much better? The combination of business greed and goverment stupidity is deadly. Those that beilieve that people dont want to work are idiots, an example would be Poundland which when opening up a few new shops recently had 150 applicants for every job, not all of these applicants would be EE immigrants.

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By c+u+n+t's reasoning we could employ the following employment strategy

1. Sack all UK nationals

2. Replace them all with cheap immigrant labour

and bingo! We have a result:

Immigrants pay more in direct and indirect taxes than they received in benefits and from public services such as education, the NHS or social housing.

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to understand whether migrants are beneficial to the economy you need to strip out the social politics of it all.

if you ignore the fact that immigrants come from a foreign land, the question is whether an increasing population of people aged 20-35 each year is good for the economy?

if we could increase the population of the uk with british people aged 20-35 each year would you have a different view, and would this be good for the economy?

foreign or domestic, the answer is invariably yes. a stagnant population isnt particularly helpful. indeed if the uk population was falling wed do our utmost to do something to reverse that alarming trend (as they are having to do in russia).

so for individuals, they may gripe at immigrants threatening their jobs, but collectively immigration is good for any country.

the united states for example is founded on immigration, without it, theres no doubt it would not be the power that it is today.

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I am guessing France, being more racist, has had less immigration over the last 10 years.

Does anyone know the unemployment rate in france?

I think the uk unemployment rate has been pretty static for 10 years.

Does that not strongly indicate that migrants are not taking local jobs but creating new jobs?

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The text you've highlighted shows that the Brits (who are no longer in work) now take out more from the system via benefits etc. Gee- Bears pooh in the woods shocker.!! I can't blame your typical Pole for wanting to earn some cash (and learn English at the same time). I just can't understand how it benefits Britain as a whole to keep increasing the number of native born "unemployables" whose only crime is to be looked down upon by an alliance of capitalist and Guardianistas who seemingly fear the (ex)-working-class. Who on earth worked in shops, farms, factories etc before the new accession countries joined the EU? Martians?

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to understand whether migrants are beneficial to the economy you need to strip out the social politics of it all.

if you ignore the fact that immigrants come from a foreign land, the question is whether an increasing population of people aged 20-35 each year is good for the economy?

if we could increase the population of the uk with british people aged 20-35 each year would you have a different view, and would this be good for the economy?

foreign or domestic, the answer is invariably yes. a stagnant population isnt particularly helpful. indeed if the uk population was falling wed do our utmost to do something to reverse that alarming trend (as they are having to do in russia).

so for individuals, they may gripe at immigrants threatening their jobs, but collectively immigration is good for any country.

the united states for example is founded on immigration, without it, theres no doubt it would not be the power that it is today.

All the anti-immigration propaganda could just as well be applied to a naturally increasing population. After all you are adding more people one way or another.

Arguably immigration is better as they come here when they are for example 25 instead of requiring the state to fund them from birth to exiting education. Also presumably immigrants are far more likely to emigrate away in older age hence costing less money than the native old which stay here.

Having said that, for social cohesion I would not be against requiring immigrants to have a good grasp of English and perhaps even an IQ test. >103 and your in.

Hhaha, the BNP would then complain that the immigrants were too smart.

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All the anti-immigration propaganda could just as well be applied to a naturally increasing population. After all you are adding more people one way or another.

Arguably immigration is better as they come here when they are for example 25 instead of requiring the state to fund them from birth to exiting education. Also presumably immigrants are far more likely to emigrate away in older age hence costing less money than the native old which stay here.

Having said that, for social cohesion I would not be against requiring immigrants to have a good grasp of English and perhaps even an IQ test. >103 and your in.

Hhaha, the BNP would then complain that the immigrants were too smart.

If they were smart they wouldn't choose the UK.

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Plus 1 eh?

Immigrants don’t take jobs away from the locals. For each working immigrant that arrives they take one job but critically they also create roughly one job.

That is why our population has increased by a few million yet unemployment has been pretty static over the last 10 years.

Should have given him a -1

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If they were smart they wouldn't choose the UK.

Not true.

The uk has some aspects which are shit about it but it does have a decent legal system (often rated top in the world especially for property rights) and relatively low corruption.

Thus you are better off in the uk than many other nations of the world.

Plus the natural advantage of being a country which speaks English.

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