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Mp's Expenses Scandal - That's It, Is It? All Over?

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I heard a programme this morning on R4. Expenses: The MP's Story*.

Various spivs, chancers and sympathy junkies told how terrible it was for three weeks being abused, suspected, vilified, emailed and threatened. Working in 'a terrible atmosphere'. Waiting for The Telgraph to accuse them.

Tory Nadine Dorries described passing three MP's in the corridors who were in tears (one 'sobbing'), and another 'hyperventilating' outside the Whip's Office.

But all the contributors spoke as if they had survived an historical event that was now in the past.

Like The Blitz or the SARS panic. Or an infestation of crabs.

Just history, now.

Is that it, then?

A handful of freeloaders booted out for appearances sake, and its back to business as usual?

* Repeated R4 9.30 tonight or on R4 Listen Again for a week

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I heard a programme this morning on R4. Expenses: The MP's Story*.

Various spivs, chancers and sympathy junkies told how terrible it was for three weeks being abused, suspected, vilified, emailed and threatened. Working in 'a terrible atmosphere'. Waiting for The Telgraph to accuse them.

Tory Nadine Dorries described passing three MP's in the corridors who were in tears (one 'sobbing'), and another 'hyperventilating' outside the Whip's Office.

But all the contributors spoke as if they had survived an historical event that was now in the past.

Like The Blitz or the SARS panic. Or an infestation of crabs.

Just history, now.

Is that it, then?

A handful of freeloaders booted out for appearances sake, and its back to business as usual?

* On R4 Listen Again

I think we have a duty to keep this topic alive.

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A handful of freeloaders booted out for appearances sake, and its back to business as usual?

Reports yesterday that Cameron is prepared to "forgive" and there will be a place in his cabinet for liars and thieves.

As I said at the time, "sorry" but not sorry enough.

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But all the contributors spoke as if they had survived an historical event that was now in the past.

Like The Blitz or the SARS panic. Or an infestation of crabs.

Just history, now.

Is that it, then?

Our delightful MPs showed their lack of remorse over the expenses issue, and stuck two fingers up to the peasants, by electing an inept, greedy, house flipper as the Speaker.

About as sensible as our jaw dropping joke of a prime minister giving the post of Defence Secretary to some two-bit numpty at a time when there are lots of defence issues that require resolution. Idiot.

I do hope that the Telegraph have kept a few gems back, though. More scandal before next year's election would be a treat.

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Our delightful MPs showed their lack of remorse over the expenses issue, and stuck two fingers up to the peasants, by electing an inept, greedy, house flipper as the Speaker.

I do hope that the Telegraph have kept a few gems back, though. More scandal before next year's election would be a treat.

Worth remembering the Telegraph's entry on Speaker Bercow:

'John Bercow, Con. The MP for Buckingham flipped the designation of his main and second homes between London and his constituency and designated each as his main home at the time he sold it.

It meant he paid no capital gains tax on either sale.

While he insisted he had done nothing wrong....Mr Bercow said he decided to 'voluntarily' pay to the taxman £6508 plus VAT.. the tax he could have be required to pay on one of the houses.

Mr Bercow...claimed a total of £143,455 in second home allowances between 2001 and 2008'

Source: Telegraph The Complete Expenses Files.

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The attitude seems to be that it could have been a lot worse ( some papers were predicting mass de-selections etc . ) but instead , typical of British apathy, it looks like they might have got away with it ...

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The attitude seems to be that it could have been a lot worse ( some papers were predicting mass de-selections etc . ) but instead , typical of British apathy, it looks like they might have got away with it ...

I'd be surprised if people aren't just waiting for the election.

On more than just this issue to be honest. They will be dissapointed, obviously, and then the fun really starts.

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The attitude seems to be that it could have been a lot worse ( some papers were predicting mass de-selections etc . ) but instead , typical of British apathy, it looks like they might have got away with it ...

People are more interested with what soap is on the telly. Sad, but true.

Only if/when the state collapses will people sit up and take notice.

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This is as nothing compared to the fact that - as far as I can see - all proposals for radical reform of the banking system have been quietly dropped.

"We will continue with the same system as before. Oh, I know it failed once, but things have changed. After all, bailing out all the reckless players will have shown them that they have to change their ways".

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haven't the reforms been changed and watered down, the big legal redress* they were boasting of has all but gone, the MPs seem free to carry on as before - it becomes law tonight and seems to do little to improve matters. and how convenient that today is the lastday of parliament until they return in the autumn, you couldn't make it up, we've a pseudo democracy.

*Parliamentary Standards Bill (Watered Down & Emasculated then an Act) 2009

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8161912.stm

But as it returned to the Commons on Tuesday - two of the proposed offences have been dropped, as has the code of conduct while peers have been assured "categorically" it would not apply to them.

And a move to allow MPs' words in the Commons - now protected by Parliamentary privilege - to be used against them in court was rejected after a surprise Commons defeat for the government.

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haven't the reforms been changed and watered down, the big legal redress* they were boasting of has all but gone, the MPs seem free to carry on as before - it becomes law tonight and seems to do little to improve matters. and how convenient that today is the lastday of parliament until they return in the autumn, you couldn't make it up, we've a pseudo democracy.

*Parliamentary Standards Bill (Watered Down & Emasculated then an Act) 2009

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8161912.stm

Is this 'the root and branch reforms' promised by Gordon Brown a few weeks ago?.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8115035.stm

Oh, and the new emasculated laws specifically dont apply to peers in the Lords:

PEERS TO BE REGULATED - DROPPED

In early stages of the debate on the bill Justice Secretary Jack Straw, said he expected its arrangements to apply "in due course" to the House of Lords as well as MPs. And he said that eventually the Parliamentary Standards Authority would cover both the Commons and the Lords. On 8 July Lords leader Lady Royall stated that the bill "categorically" would not apply to peers after she "fully reported the very strong, very proper and very cogent views of this House to the government". A new clause explicitly excluding the Lords from the Act has since been added into the bill.

Baroness Uddin (of the empty Maidstone flat she claimed for) will be breaking out the champagne in her London Local Authority family house.

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Reports yesterday that Cameron is prepared to "forgive" and there will be a place in his cabinet for liars and thieves.

As I said at the time, "sorry" but not sorry enough.

Cameron maybe prepared to forgive,the people most certainly are not.

In fact,the more of a wimp he becomes,hence the need for a different,and more decisive leadership from elsewhere to remedy the problem.

it's all so blatantly obvious with the mainstream parties now,the final nail in the coffin being cameron's "support" for blair becoming EU president.

they are all going to get shredded.

swine-flu state of emergency is not going to wash,no matter how much they pound it on BBC news.

it's over.

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Cameron maybe prepared to forgive,the people most certainly are not.

In fact,the more of a wimp he becomes,hence the need for a different,and more decisive leadership from elsewhere to remedy the problem.

it's all so blatantly obvious with the mainstream parties now,the final nail in the coffin being cameron's "support" for blair becoming EU president.

they are all going to get shredded.

swine-flu state of emergency is not going to wash,no matter how much they pound it on BBC news.

it's over.

The only protest vote you can make now is for the party the hate the most.

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I'd be surprised if people aren't just waiting for the election.

On more than just this issue to be honest. They will be dissapointed, obviously, and then the fun really starts.

oh boy.

I'm sure they have prepared the military for civil unrest,but I'm sure most of our squaddies are thoroughly pissed off with them too.

Military coup anybody?

I hate to say it,but a bit more collateral damage like the bloke who died at the G20 would be rather useful in de-railing the NuLabour stasi.Horribly unpleasant thing to say,but there has to come a point when our soldiers and police say enough is enough...and we ain't gonna turn into east germany.

the same instruction manual is being used,the same tactics deployed.....you just have to be smart enough to spot them,because they've been sneaking up on us.

It only works when the enforcers are kept in ignorance.

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Yes, I heard that appalling Radio 4 programme on the way to a work engagement - I nearly ripped the stereo from the dashboard and threw it out of the window.

Yes, I'm sure you feel a bit down when you're caught with your hand in the till and your snout buried deep in the trough when you earn £60k and Joe Average is facing pay freezes and layoffs.

I'm sure every fraudster feels a bit jumpy when the fuzz come knocking but scumbag MPs haven't even had to put up with this! For years MPs have shafting the little guy and enjoyed the cocoon of hob-nobbing with the political class - such has been their contempt for you and me that I find it hard to believe they really gave a hoot when they started to get nasty emails from the constituents they'd long forgotten about.

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Cameron maybe prepared to forgive,the people most certainly are not.

In fact,the more of a wimp he becomes,hence the need for a different,and more decisive leadership from elsewhere to remedy the problem.

it's all so blatantly obvious with the mainstream parties now,the final nail in the coffin being cameron's "support" for blair becoming EU president.

they are all going to get shredded.

swine-flu state of emergency is not going to wash,no matter how much they pound it on BBC news.

it's over.

What remedy?

Who is going to get shredded?

How?

What is over?

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Yes, the scandal is all over. They've learnt their lesson and will be more careful about allowing such damaging information to be leaked out.

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Electorate 1 v 2 Politicians.

A few weeks of scandal, some hubbub, a wink and a nod and it's tomorrow's fish 'n' chips paper.

We've been done up like kippers.

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Electorate 1 v 2 Politicians.

A few weeks of scandal, some hubbub, a wink and a nod and it's tomorrow's fish 'n' chips paper.

We've been done up like kippers.

Nope,I think the green shoots of recovery enthusiasm is a little premature.

I wonder how they think people will react when we end up in a barter-economy,or our financial centre has a bit of an "accident" and we have to go begging to the EU to let us into the euro at some derisory rate.

NuLabour want us in,no mistake about that...but their paymasters want us in grovelling.

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How short is the memory of the electorate going to be?

Will a new series of 'Strictly...' or 'X Factor' wipe the collective mind clean?

Will we get any clues from the Norfolk by-election on Thursday?

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