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Well, it's unfortunate that a graduate has to come out of our degrading education system, heavily burdened with debt, just get a minimum wage job, but it is money and work experience.

Too bad they will be competing with a whole heck of lot of other grads as well as the un-educated and experienced.

It's called reality.

The fantasy days of 20 year olds landing £25k+ salaries fresh out of school are gone.

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Well, it's unfortunate that a graduate has to come out of our degrading education system, heavily burdened with debt, just get a minimum wage job, but it is money and work experience.

Too bad they will be competing with a whole heck of lot of other grads as well as the un-educated and experienced.

It's called reality.

The fantasy days of 20 year olds landing £25k+ salaries fresh out of school are gone.

They never really existed.

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They've already been shafted, having paid handsomely for an education that's fitted them (at best) for a minimum wage job.

Let's see lists of institutions and degrees whose graduates end up in these schemes ... New Labour loves these choice-enabling league tables, don't they?

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Well, they did in engineering and banking.

They still do in banking.

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Science and/or engineering grads from good Universities with at least a 2(i) will usually find something. Our graduates (usually physics, chemistry, maths or chemical engineering) are paid £25k + with rapid progression on completion of 2-3 years of on the job training.

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I still believe this is NuLab's version of a socialist utopia. It matters not what you learn or do, the majority of people are headed towards some sort of state dependance (benefits/tax credits/subsidised employment) and will all receive near enough the same money for their time.

Unemployment I reckon must be well over 15% when all claimants are taken into account.

I don't suppose any quango has monitored the size of the private sector in relation to the overall state sector.

TFH

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I still believe this is NuLab's version of a socialist utopia. It matters not what you learn or do, the majority of people are headed towards some sort of state dependance (benefits/tax credits/subsidised employment) and will all receive near enough the same money for their time.

Unemployment I reckon must be well over 15% when all claimants are taken into account.

I don't suppose any quango has monitored the size of the private sector in relation to the overall state sector.

TFH

2.5m unemployed + 2.5m on incapacity benefit + 5m in the public sector all doing work of equal value.

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The cast majority of high-achieving graduates with degrees in something useful will get a job without any stiupif government help. Graduates of flower arrangement and Meeja studies from Skelmersdale University may struggle.

Internships for such graduates are a complete waste of time and I wouldn't give employers any incentives to employ them. I disagree with any form of subsidy for business, either you're worth taking on or you're not. Most of these are not.

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I still believe this is NuLab's version of a socialist utopia. It matters not what you learn or do, the majority of people are headed towards some sort of state dependance (benefits/tax credits/subsidised employment) and will all receive near enough the same money for their time.

Unemployment I reckon must be well over 15% when all claimants are taken into account.

I don't suppose any quango has monitored the size of the private sector in relation to the overall state sector.

TFH

There is information out there. Last time I heard it was about 60% of people employed by Govt. But I can't be sure now. But I do gotta say, when I tried to poll the idea on a freeze on non practical government employment (ie. strategists and relationship managers) the other day I got a pretty tepid response so obviously we are all cool with the ever burgeoning govt who will basically be the direct pay masters of everyone one way or another and sooner rather than later.

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