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"swingeing measures to eliminate as many as 17,358 public sector jobs".

That is certainly swingeing. I wonder if they announce such a gigantic figure, only to then massage it down? Make it seem less drastic?

Anyone think we'll get similar cuts proportionally? I find it hard to imagine our prospective gummints doing it...

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Irish Eyes Are Not Smiling

im smiling! more like grinning

cut it all its a ******ing gravy train and im sick of being taxed to death while career welfare dole heads are getting it cushy and not having to work for it

cut welfare, cut public/civil sector bloat, introduce property taxes (there are none!)

only Ireland in does the main political party has the word Fail in it and we setup an agency with the word Snip in it :D

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dole money for irish single person = 204 euros per week!!!

dole money for uk single person = 79 euros per week (after currency conversion)

dont forget the rent supplement of about 100+ a week

and a medical card

then there are various other perks such as double payment at xmas

all in all it makes more sense to sit at home than go slave for a minimum wage which works out about the same

god i love this place :D

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dont forget the rent supplement of about 100+ a week

and a medical card

then there are various other perks such as double payment at xmas

all in all it makes more sense to sit at home than go slave for a minimum wage which works out about the same

god i love this place :D

Are you a scrounger yourself?

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Are you a scrounger yourself?

<_<:rolleyes: nope

a disgruntled taxpayer, director of a sme , employer and employee

who is sick of all the redtape and large and growing taxes put in in front of people actually doing something useful and doing real work in an economy

tho i tell you i sure do feel like doing nothing for next while and getting paid for it, make the most of the socialist utopia and get some of my money back maybe

:(

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<_<:rolleyes: nope

a disgruntled taxpayer, director of a sme , employer and employee

who is sick of all the redtape and large and growing taxes put in in front of people actually doing something useful and doing real work in an economy

tho i tell you i sure do feel like doing nothing for next while and getting paid for it, make the most of the socialist utopia and get some of my money back maybe

:(

It's a sad state of affairs when people are feeling like this. I know of a few people who have been saying similar things lately.

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It's a sad state of affairs when people are feeling like this. I know of a few people who have been saying similar things lately.

I have no sympathy with them. They whinge when they are not making money hand over fist, salting away tax free savings while others pay up on PAYE. They are profiting from the social capital of the country, health, education, infrastructure, but somehow think only their own narrow interests matter. If they are currently not doing well, they should consider their own talents and business model rather than criticise the country at large. Whingers.

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I have no sympathy with them. They whinge when they are not making money hand over fist, salting away tax free savings while others pay up on PAYE. They are profiting from the social capital of the country, health, education, infrastructure, but somehow think only their own narrow interests matter. If they are currently not doing well, they should consider their own talents and business model rather than criticise the country at large. Whingers.

what infrastructure?

what healthcare? have to pay for VHI ever increasing amounts, and lately it cannot be written of as company expense and counts against your tax personal tax credits as a benefit in kind

what free savings? you mean the pension funds where the money is locked away till you are about to pop and at the rate things are going there wont be any money in the fund??

PAYE? I pay a fortune in PAYE for myself as single male my taxcredits are non existent and as employer theres also PRSI to pay...

maybe you should listen to these "whingers" who will pay for the taxes once the are gone? who will support the welfare state and the public sector colleagues who earn 50% more on average and guaranteed pensions?

myself all i need to work is an internet connection, bank account and electricity, taxman keeps skinning me i will just stop working or move elsewhere, alot of other people in same boat

they should encourage enterprise and work, not pay people money for nothing

why work minimum wage when you can get more on dole?

why work above average wage when you get taxed to hell?

socialism :|

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/ju...and-budget-cuts

Ireland needs to cut more than €5bn (£4.3bn) from its budget and more than 17,000 public sector jobs to save the republic's ailing economy, a government report has recommended.

An Bord Snip Nua, the Irish government's cost-cutting panel, has called for brutal measures to drive down public expenditure.

Its chairman, economist Dr Colm McCarthy of University College Dublin, yesterday also demanded a 5% reduction in social welfare payments to achieve savings of €850m.

The demand for swingeing cuts reflects the parlous state of the former Celtic tiger economy, which is expected to suffer an 11% downturn in GDP this year. There are also fears among some economists that Ireland's unemployment rate could hit half a million by the end of 2009.

The board said that €513m could be saved by reducing and standardising the state's child benefit rate, cutting the €2.5bn cost of the programme by 20%. Ireland still has one of the most generous welfare systems in the European Union.

Ireland's health and education sectors would bear most of the cuts, with 6,930 jobs to go in the education system and 6,168 jobs in health.

McCarthy said the reductions could be achieved without compulsory redundancies, saying a recruitment embargo, retirements and an existing voluntary redundancy scheme could be used.

He said the Irish trade union movement would have to agree to changes that would allow the redeployment of staff between government departments and other parts of the public sector.

If only the Irish has someone like Ponzi Brown running the economy all of these job cuts could have been avoided.

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surely not?

when pigs fly eh :lol:

read and weep its not a joke no wonder the country is in so much shit

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle6690571.ece

Unemployment benefit now 200% higher than in UK!

2009 Weekly social welfare payments (euros)

OLD AGE PENSION

Ireland 230, UK 109

UNEMPLOYMENT

Ireland 204, UK 69

CHILD BENEFIT

Ireland 38, UK 23

2003 Weekly social welfare payments (euros)

OLD AGE PENSION

Ireland 157, UK 107

UNEMPLOYMENT

Ireland 124, UK 75

CHILD BENEFIT

Ireland 28, UK 22

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when pigs fly eh :lol:

read and weep its not a joke no wonder the country is in so much shit

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle6690571.ece

I have the misfortune to be unemployed here - am desperately trying to get back into work, but not feeling confident in the short to medium term (i.e. several years) of finding work. Looks like my 8 years in higher level education has gone to waste, for now at least....

Anyway, here's a summary of the benefit's per week:

€204 pw - this is the basic social welfare allowance for a person (doesn't matter whether you're married or single, I think two married people on SW get slightly less than €204 doubled, if you follow). Also, if you start your own business you will be paid this for a maximum of 1 year. Actually, your'e probably better off doing this anyway (costs nothing) cos it avoids that nasty monthly queue at the dole office (I calculated the one at my local office to be 150 metres long when I signed on last week). They will also pay the money directly into an account of your choice, so don't even have to get up of your **** and go to the post office.

€13 pw - allowance for the little fella to keep him in nappies and baby food.

€166 - monthly children's allowance for the little fella to keep him in nappies and baby food.

The governemt here will also pay a portion of the interest on your mortgage. Mine is €1200 p.m. - currently on IO, so paying €450 approx p.m. My allowance could be €100 p/week, so left with (hopefully) a balance of around €50 to pay per month on moy mortgage on IO. That will last for a maximum 1 year.

Now, as I delve into the benefits further, and look like I am going to be unemployed for a long period of time, there are a raft of other payments (e.g. TV licence, electricity, fuel allowance as well as contribution towards child minding costs) that can be claimed. So will have to look into these.

There was a story published in a national newspaper here some time ago about a guy who ended up on the dole here, married with 2 kids and was on a salary a bit above the average industrial wage (€37,000 AFAIK). The gist went that he was circa €10k nett better off one the dole. Did his golf handicap no end of good apparently.

Edit - found it and stuck it in here - http://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/...rk-1708412.html

Edit No. 2 - since this letter was published, the economy has indeed collapsed

Edited by An Bear Mór

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I have the misfortune to be unemployed here - am desperately trying to get back into work, but not feeling confident in the short to medium term (i.e. several years) of finding work. Looks like my 8 years in higher level education has gone to waste, for now at least....

Anyway, here's a summary of the benefit's per week:

€204 pw - this is the basic social welfare allowance for a person (doesn't matter whether you're married or single, I think two married people on SW get slightly less than €204 doubled, if you follow). Also, if you start your own business you will be paid this for a maximum of 1 year. Actually, your'e probably better off doing this anyway (costs nothing) cos it avoids that nasty monthly queue at the dole office (I calculated the one at my local office to be 150 metres long when I signed on last week). They will also pay the money directly into an account of your choice, so don't even have to get up of your **** and go to the post office.

€13 pw - allowance for the little fella to keep him in nappies and baby food.

€166 - monthly children's allowance for the little fella to keep him in nappies and baby food.

The governemt here will also pay a portion of the interest on your mortgage. Mine is €1200 p.m. - currently on IO, so paying €450 approx p.m. My allowance could be €100 p/week, so left with (hopefully) a balance of around €50 to pay per month on moy mortgage on IO. That will last for a maximum 1 year.

Now, as I delve into the benefits further, and look like I am going to be unemployed for a long period of time, there are a raft of other payments (e.g. TV licence, electricity, fuel allowance as well as contribution towards child minding costs) that can be claimed. So will have to look into these.

There was a story published in a national newspaper here some time ago about a guy who ended up on the dole here, married with 2 kids and was on a salary a bit above the average industrial wage (€37,000 AFAIK). The gist went that he was circa €10k nett better off one the dole. Did his golf handicap no end of good apparently.

sigh

my taxes paying for other peoples mortgages and kids

maybe i should get myself one of each then :huh:

come autumn with the lisbon treaty result and new budget and i might start looking at them nice offshore islands to relax for a while ;) i worked to hard for last few years for a bunch of politician cowboys to continue pouring my blood money into black holes of welfare,ps and banks :(

as for the article you were referring to this once, the figures are abit suspect i remember a thread on boards.ie, the conclusion is it more or less adds up

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/...rk-1708412.html

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An Bear M�r

Incredible, there have been quite a few Ireland basket-case threads (mainly cantered around the property bubble and collapsing competitiveness) and I've started quite a few myself, but still. those figures just takes the biscuit.

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An Bear M�r

Incredible, there have been quite a few Ireland basket-case threads (mainly cantered around the property bubble and collapsing competitiveness) and I've started quite a few myself, but still. those figures just takes the biscuit.

Yep, heard a figure of borrowing €400 million a week to keep this going. Someone's going to lose an eye....

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sigh

my taxes paying for other peoples mortgages and kids

maybe i should get myself one of each then :huh:

come autumn with the lisbon treaty result and new budget and i might start looking at them nice offshore islands to relax for a while ;) i worked to hard for last few years for a bunch of politician cowboys to continue pouring my blood money into black holes of welfare,ps and banks :(

as for the article you were referring to this once, the figures are abit suspect i remember a thread on boards.ie, the conclusion is it more or less adds up

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/...rk-1708412.html

Sigh. And assholes like you posting such arrogant comments. What a toss bag.

You might have noted in my post I have spent 8 years in education. Not exactly the profile of your average welfare cheat. believe me, I would like to be in work in the morning, and I hope you don't find yourself in this situation.

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I drive along the A55 in North Wales regularly, where many Irish drivers set out on their journey after docking in Holyhead, and it never ceases to amaze me the executive cars that most Irish people seem to be driving.

BMW, Mercedes, Audis and various other executive brands all with newish plates. I've often wondered how the hell they've managed to become so wealthy. Guess it never was wealth though was it.

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Sigh. And assholes like you posting such arrogant comments. What a toss bag.

You might have noted in my post I have spent 8 years in education. Not exactly the profile of your average welfare cheat. believe me, I would like to be in work in the morning, and I hope you don't find yourself in this situation.

:rolleyes:

relax i was only being sarcastic, no hard feelings, you do sound like a decent fella

me appologies

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I drive along the A55 in North Wales regularly, where many Irish drivers set out on their journey after docking in Holyhead, and it never ceases to amaze me the executive cars that most Irish people seem to be driving.

BMW, Mercedes, Audis and various other executive brands all with newish plates. I've often wondered how the hell they've managed to become so wealthy. Guess it never was wealth though was it.

You are correct, it was cheap credit from the ECB to the car firms finance arms lent to the Irish, the spanish, the Greeks to buy Mercs, Audis and BMW's so they felt rich.

What they now understand is they are asset rich and cash poor.

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You are correct, it was cheap credit from the ECB to the car firms finance arms lent to the Irish, the spanish, the Greeks to buy Mercs, Audis and BMW's so they felt rich.

What they now understand is they are asset rich and cash poor.

No, just poor - houses and cars worth a fraction of what they paid for them. People here went the whole 9 yards when it came to MEW - Mercs (know of his and hers on some houses), jacuzzia (pl?), holiday homes, all end of other expensive an unecessary shite. There's an element of the population here that has ******ed themselves and their children up for years to come.

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