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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8152937.stm

When the government started paying housing benefit to new private tenants rather than straight to their landlords last year, it was meant to give tenants more choice and help develop their budgeting skills - but instead it just means rents are not being paid, say some landlords.

I wonder if how to deal with this is in one of Ajay's property investment DVD's?

Who would be a landlord eh?

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The Local Housing Allowance (LHA) was introduced so people could manage their own lives and their budgets.

Brilliant.

If they could manage their own lives and budgets.....

THEY WOULDN'T BE ON ****ING BENEFITS, would they ?

(Give me strength)

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8152937.stm

I wonder if how to deal with this is in one of Ajay's property investment DVD's?

Who would be a landlord eh?

One of my mates worked for a Landlord who had multiple properties, all of which were let to DSS Tenants, seekers etc and they seemed to get benefits paid direct by the council's benefits department but that was a couple of years ago.

I doubt a small landlord could deal with the hassles easily as the article shows. The LL that my mate worked for ruled with an iron fist when needed where drugs and prostitution were concerned. Most of his tenants were aware of his methods and stuck to the rules.

I would much rather have 3% or 4% off the bank than deal with all the problems and hope for a 6% yield.

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Brilliant.

If they could manage their own lives and budgets.....

THEY WOULDN'T BE ON ****ING BENEFITS, would they ?

(Give me strength)

Symptomatic of the stupid government approach. Too bloody soft.

It should be housing paid direct and food, energy and transport vouchers.

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"When the government started paying housing benefit to new private tenants rather than straight to their landlords last year, it was meant to give tenants more choice and help develop their budgeting skills - but instead it just means rents are not being paid, say some landlords."

Well who'd of thought that might happen!

"Symptomatic of the stupid government approach. Too bloody soft.

It should be housing paid direct and food, energy and transport vouchers."

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Symptomatic of the stupid government approach. Too bloody soft.

It should be housing paid direct and food, energy and transport vouchers.

Absolutely. This is exactly what they do in France. It would be unheard of to hand out cash... for obvious reasons. Anybody claimimg 'benefits' should be given redeemable vouchers for essentials and no cash at all.

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This tells me two things:

(1) The government knew exactly this would happen, and the money is being spent in the wider economy rather than lining the pockets of the BTL brigade;

(2) the government are willing to sacrifice the BTL "for the greater good"...

I predict a much harder time for the BTL in the coming months and years.

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We have several BTL on our street owned by the same geezer.

He's been chasing one tenants for weeks now. Banging on the front and back doors each time he's come round sorting out another property (Haha that one has a big repair needs doing!)

We assume the tenant has spent the money - he seems to have had to move a few times for this reason...

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I had similar if not worse problem with my tennets (I'm not a BTL BTW I had to work away for a few years). The tennents failed to pass their benefit payments on to me, then when I threatened legal action on them they fled and took every fixture, my fridge, freezer and took every tree from the garden!

It's not just DSS tennents that do this either: A friend of mine let is very posh flat out to a 'respectable' couple - who completly trashed his appartment to the sum of 4 grand.

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Symptomatic of the stupid government approach. Too bloody soft.

It should be housing paid direct and food, energy and transport vouchers.

Agreed. I'd struggle with accepting money for doing nothing. I am serious, I would go out and pick up litter in the parks or something which would not make me feel a total scrounger.

Of course I am only referring to the work-shy. A lot of people are seriously in need and cannot work. But they shouldn't bear the shame for the chavs

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Oh dear, landlordism is leaking

I can't imagine a worse place for public funds to go, than into the pockets of some useless, sponging tosspot; much better for it to go to the tenants

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Oh dear, landlordism is leaking

I can't imagine a worse place for public funds to go, than into the pockets of some useless, sponging tosspot; much better for it to go to the tenants

The wheel is turning, landlords/BTL have been leeching off the public sector through ever increasing DSS rental payments for years, giving them even more incentive to buy up and price out any form of competition for force up rents.

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The wheel is turning, landlords/BTL have been leeching off the public sector through ever increasing DSS rental payments for years, giving them even more incentive to buy up and price out any form of competition for force up rents.

AGREED: The main reason the payment system was changed was because of landlords making fraudulent claims,

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also the tenants can withold the rent if there are issues with the property

when it was paid directly to landlords there was probably little incentive to

get any neccesary repairs done in a reasonable time

now the claimants have some leverage against rubbish landlords

power to the people

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This tells me two things:

(1) The government knew exactly this would happen, and the money is being spent in the wider economy rather than lining the pockets of the BTL brigade;

(2) the government are willing to sacrifice the BTL "for the greater good"...

I predict a much harder time for the BTL in the coming months and years.

The government didn't know what would happen. They are too busy 'consulting' with god knows whom to have any conception at all of what is really happening. The people who knew it would be a problem were local government front line workers, who were, as usual, ignored becasue they are after all the serf class.

Local government managers just bowed to their out of town overlords and muttered between themselves what a great idea it was because they are 'empowering' people. They also have no idea of the lumpen proletariate because, having been corrupted by 1960s utopian socialist university theory, they had confused the proletariate with the working class and eulogised the proletarian lack of manners and care for their reciprocal responsibilities in recieving benefits as the response of a victim. Its about time schools started to teach manners.

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This is fantastic news. The benefit should be paid to the tenant, if only as an assurance that repairs get done.

The reason the landlords are up in arms is because benefit claimants are now put on a level playing field as private tenants. Landlords loved them as the rent was guaranteed, sometimes paid in error when the tenant even left. From the article:

She has refused to take on any more LHA tenants unless their rent gets paid directly to her by the council.

Then she can look forward to a lot of voids. Silly cow!

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I am really starting to lose my tether with this site, it seems everyday there are more ******ing cosoted idiots. To most of the posters on this thread, i suggest you grab a blanket, lock your door behind yourselves and try to survive, get a house, get a job. None of would last a ******ing hour you pampered twats. The poor are not to blame. You lot and the other 95% of the population are, through your greed. Don't try to project your own guilt on to those that cannot protect themselves.

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Housing Benefit has always been paid to the claimant, it was only paid to the landlord at the claimant's request. All claims existing before April 2008 continue to be assessed on this basis, it is only new claims from April 08 where the option to pay direct to the landlord is taken away from private tenants only, social housing is exempt and payment can still be made directly to the landlord if requested by the claimant.

There is the facility to make payments direct to landlord's if the tenant is likely to be at risk of losing their home due to the inability to deal with their own finances and also if the tenant is in more than 8 weeks in arrears with their rent.

If there are any landlord's out there with problem tenants who they assume are claiming benefits, and witholding rent - contact the Local Authorities Benefit service rather than wasting time checking out web forums.

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Agreed. I'd struggle with accepting money for doing nothing. I am serious, I would go out and pick up litter in the parks or something which would not make me feel a total scrounger.

There would be no need to give people hand outs for rent if Capitalist Property (Land) Laws

didn't keep all of the land in the hands of the few & deny the rest of us access to it, unless

we are willing to undergo 25 years economic slavery to buy back our freedom.

0.6% own 69% of the land in Britain. Source.

The land was stolen with force long ago & property laws & a police force were created to deny

the people access to it. That is why we are forced to pay rent just to occupy space.

Land should be free. Benefits for rent, at least, could be seen as compensation for land having been stolen

& hoarded. In terms of rent income, it is the Landlords who accept money for doing nothing.

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Symptomatic of the stupid government approach. Too bloody soft.

It should be housing paid direct and food, energy and transport vouchers.

When rent was paid direct to landlords, I've known of landlords who've carried on claiming the benefit after tenants have moved out.

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There are 2 long term scams on housing that need to be ended:

1. Government paying rents to landlords. All this did was make rents go up only, and never down, by putting a guaranteed base price of market rate. If the government did not pay rent (or only paid half market rates), rents would fall as well as rise. The whole income from property racket relies on this guarantee.

2. Giving bigger properties to those with more children. This made having another baby a money making scheme (or a housing scheme) for benefits claimants. If you want 5 babies, they can all live in your hostel; that would end the baby scam immediately.

The government is going to do this IMO, in several steps. Step 1, already implemented, is pay only a maximum amount for rents, with tenant keeping the difference. Step 2 is reduce the amount.

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There would be no need to give people hand outs for rent if Capitalist Property (Land) Laws

didn't keep all of the land in the hands of the few & deny the rest of us access to it, unless

we are willing to undergo 25 years economic slavery to buy back our freedom.

0.6% own 69% of the land in Britain. Source.

The land was stolen with force long ago & property laws & a police force were created to deny

the people access to it. That is why we are forced to pay rent just to occupy space.

Land should be free. Benefits for rent, at least, could be seen as compensation for land having been stolen

& hoarded. In terms of rent income, it is the Landlords who accept money for doing nothing.

Don't complicate things for the Mail readers. It's obviously the poor with all their economic power and political muscle who are keeping the aspirational from becoming wealthy. If we could remove any last vestiges of their dignity by making them use special paupers money, maybe they would stop getting in our way by committing suicide.

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