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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/envi...icle6710815.ece

One of Britain’s biggest employers in the green energy industry is to cease production within hours of a government announcement today pledging as many as 400,000 green jobs by 2015.

Ed Miliband, the Energy and Climate Change Secretary, will claim that Britain will become a world leader in low-carbon technology and manufacturing. He will argue that raising household energy bills to pay for investment in wind, solar and tidal power is justified not only by the dangers of global warming but also the opportunity to build a new “green economyâ€.

However, tomorrow morning the Vestas factory in Newport, Isle of Wight, Britain’s only significant manufacturer of wind turbines, will produce its last batch of seven-tonne blades. More than 600 people employed at the plant, and a related facility in Southampton, will be made redundant at the end of the month. All 7,000 turbines that the Government will commit today to installing over the next decade will be manufactured overseas, mainly in Germany, Denmark and China.

Vestas managers and union leaders held meetings with Mr Miliband and officials to discuss the possibility of converting the factory — which supplies the US market — to produce a different type of blade suitable for British wind farms. The Government did not, however, offer any financial aid and was unable to give any assurances that it would break the planning logjam that has paralysed the British market for wind turbines.

Excellent now we can buy from abroad, if we had a competent govt this firm would have been taken over. Obviously as we have incompetence running the govt even if they had costs would have doubled over night and the bosses given big pay rises for no increase in productivity.

Really you couldn't have better long term planning could you.

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Excellent now we can buy from abroad, if we had a competent govt this firm would have been taken over. Obviously as we have incompetence running the govt even if they had costs would have doubled over night and the bosses given big pay rises for no increase in productivity.

Really you couldn't have better long term planning could you.

They should have gotten into the business of setting up an offshore entiity to buy the turbine blades off of themselves, financed by short term borrowing based on the cashflow of turbine blade sales. Then they would have got a bailout when the scheme broke down..

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Excellent now we can buy from abroad, if we had a competent govt this firm would have been taken over. Obviously as we have incompetence running the govt even if they had costs would have doubled over night and the bosses given big pay rises for no increase in productivity.

Really you couldn't have better long term planning could you.

The only surprising bit about this story is that anyone is surprised that when the government is 1st hand involved in the implementation of change it falls apart. I mean, why does anyone think these people aren't in business making millions of pounds for themselves? It's because they are useless talkers, and to top it off what they do has no consequences to them.

If I ran the business of achieving a certain amount of wind energy at a certain cost I'd have the whole thing planned out and it would be done. Doing this sort of thing is second nature to well run businesses but is a mystery to state employees and their political masters.

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So much for the UK renewable jobs boom!!

This can't be down to governmental incompetence, it's illogical to presume that any government can accidentaly get so much so wrong in such a relatively short space of time.

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Excellent now we can buy from abroad, if we had a competent govt this firm would have been taken over. Obviously as we have incompetence running the govt even if they had costs would have doubled over night and the bosses given big pay rises for no increase in productivity.

Really you couldn't have better long term planning could you.

We cannot create net jobs in the green sector.

For ever 1 green job created we will lose more than 1 job elsewhere!!

Plus what exactly does the government think 400,000 “green workers†will be doing?

We just need a few thousand scientists and a few thousand people to put the things together. Most of it would be automated.

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We cannot create net jobs in the green sector.

For ever 1 green job created we will lose more than 1 job elsewhere!!

Plus what exactly does the government think 400,000 “green workers†will be doing?

We just need a few thousand scientists and a few thousand people to put the things together. Most of it would be automated.

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Once you've done the science it gets assembled in existing factories that excel at assembling stuff who used to assemble non-green machinery stuff. I never did get this green economy crap.

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Excellent now we can buy from abroad, if we had a competent govt this firm would have been taken over. Obviously as we have incompetence running the govt even if they had costs would have doubled over night and the bosses given big pay rises for no increase in productivity.

Really you couldn't have better long term planning could you.

Debt is wealth. Cars and banks are green and worth saving; wind turbines are ... um ... well, erm, not?

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Once you've done the science it gets assembled in existing factories that excel at assembling stuff who used to assemble non-green machinery stuff. I never did get this green economy crap.

they will probably reclassify bus drivers and rubbish collectors and gardeners as green jobs and say they have hundreds of thousands in the sector.

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Plus what exactly does the government think 400,000 “green workers†will be doing?..

They will be part of Gordons "Turkey army" of climate change officers, energy efficiency advisors and carbon footprint police that the local authorities will unleash upon us.

I wonder if the carbon trading scammers will count too?

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The main thing is to make sure that energy bills go up.

Energy costs for second + third +.............nth homes can be claimed from the fees office, so this is not a matter to worry MPs.

I trust you will all enjoy your long summer break.......and don't forget....f*ck those peasants into oblivion.

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We cannot create net jobs in the green sector.

For ever 1 green job created we will lose more than 1 job elsewhere!!

Plus what exactly does the government think 400,000 “green workers†will be doing?

We just need a few thousand scientists and a few thousand people to put the things together. Most of it would be automated.

I suppose it depends on what you classify as 'green jobs'. But, I disagree with you if you believe that Britain could not lead the world in exporting green technology and equipment. We are doing very nicely at doing exactly that, exporting....

The fecking shame is that wind energy something the UK is blessed with ends up with no fecking manufactures of the bloody equipment, makes me weep, although I can't understand why a company would not have thought to develop blades for a market that is on its door step and same jurisdiction.

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They will be part of Gordons "Turkey army" of climate change officers, energy efficiency advisors and carbon footprint police that the local authorities will unleash upon us. I wonder if the carbon trading scammers will count too?

Well yes we can create lots of non jobs or worse jobs which make real jobs that much harder. But there will no way be 400k real new “green jobsâ€.

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The main thing is to make sure that energy bills go up.

Energy costs for second + third +.............nth homes can be claimed from the fees office, so this is not a matter to worry MPs.

I trust you will all enjoy your long summer break.......and don't forget....f*ck those peasants into oblivion.

they would go up substantially in any case. Any economy based on carbon would ensure this to be the case, think if what you are using to power your nation becomes more and more scarce what happens to the price?

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Well yes we can create lots of non jobs or worse jobs which make real jobs that much harder. But there will no way be 400k real new “green jobsâ€.

From the sound of today's news (which was announced some time ago I recall) there will be 400,000 new jobs, but they'll all be overseas !

We simply don't need 6.5 billion people on the planet and the UK doesn't need as many as 60 million.

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they will probably reclassify bus drivers and rubbish collectors and gardeners as green jobs and say they have hundreds of thousands in the sector.

The danger with typing this stuff is that you know someone is going to read this and it'll come true.

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I suppose it depends on what you classify as 'green jobs'. But, I disagree with you if you believe that Britain could not lead the world in exporting green technology and equipment. We are doing very nicely at doing exactly that, exporting....

The fecking shame is that wind energy something the UK is blessed with ends up with no fecking manufactures of the bloody equipment, makes me weep, although I can't understand why a company would not have thought to develop blades for a market that is on its door step and same jurisdiction.

Perhaps we can lead the world in green energy although I don’t think so.

But tell me how you plan to employ 400,000 people.

Real “green energy jobs†are engineers and scientists and inventors. We probably don’t have 400k of them in the country right now let alone 400k to dedicate to the “green industryâ€.

But the government will say HIP energy assessors are green jobs. How do you plan to export that?

As for true green jobs.

China has 95% of the world market in solar panels. We cannot compete (in fact I don’t think the uk has any fabrication plants for that type of work).

China is also a world expert in hydro power.

France has a good claim on nuclear along with a few other countries but not the uk.

And why would we build wind turbines in the uk when you can pay a MIT equivalent engineer £5-10k in India/china and it would cost you £20k to hire a chav that can barely read in the uk.

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they would go up substantially in any case. Any economy based on carbon would ensure this to be the case, think if what you are using to power your nation becomes more and more scarce what happens to the price?

Energy isn’t getting more and more scares though is it?

Coal and gas production is up 35% over the last 10 years.

Oil production is up 10 million barrels a day over the last 10 years.

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I thought Vestas made matches, or was it curries? Or was it swans?

I thought it was the bird in Casino Royale, James Bonds First Love.

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But, I disagree with you if you believe that Britain could not lead the world in exporting green technology and equipment. We are doing very nicely at doing exactly that, exporting...

The only thing the UK can do is invent and patent.

Then licence the technology so you get a fee. Sure the things may be built in china but you make money. That is what we already do and make money from.

That is the type of things the government should be encouraging. Getting kids into science. Not pretending that energy assessors are green jobs and that they will somehow make us rich.

We are not going to be setting up mass human production lines for solar panels or wind turbines. Simply because those things are automated and even if they were not you don’t pay someone in the UK £25,000 plus taxes when you can pay someone £2,500 in India.

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In essence Government policy on green issues is:

They tax on you not being green enough

You have to spend on trying to be green (their rules).

Whatever way you look at it, it is a government sponsored scam. Carbon trading, good grief.

There are too many people on the planet, using up natural resources, the problem isn't climate change (it changes), it is a population going from 1 billion to 6+ billion in 100 years.

There are far to many busybody politicians putting their noses where they are not needed.

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They should have gotten into the business of setting up an offshore entiity to buy the turbine blades off of themselves, financed by short term borrowing based on the cashflow of turbine blade sales. Then they would have got a bailout when the scheme broke down..

No, that would be far too sensible

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The only thing the UK can do is invent and patent.

Then licence the technology so you get a fee. Sure the things may be built in china but you make money. That is what we already do and make money from.

That is the type of things the government should be encouraging. Getting kids into science. Not pretending that energy assessors are green jobs and that they will somehow make us rich.

We are not going to be setting up mass human production lines for solar panels or wind turbines. Simply because those things are automated and even if they were not you don’t pay someone in the UK £25,000 plus taxes when you can pay someone £2,500 in India.

God you're so off message. Don't you know that the "green economy" is the future of Britain and is something we "lead the World" in?

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God you're so off message. Don't you know that the "green economy" is the future of Britain and is something we "lead the World" in?

Like the knowledge economy was?

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