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I work in the R&D department of a large defence contractor, the other day we were told the project book is bare and we’d be subject to a 10% headcount reduction, in this ‘first wave’ of redundancy, those at risk had already been informed.

Those that took the hit this time were almost exclusively the oldies (55+), many of the guys had been employed there for decades and in their time had been considered ‘bright young things’, many having gained a degree or PhD when it was the preserve of the top 5% but in technology it’s tough to keep up after a certain age…

The lesson seemed to be that you need to get out of any front line technology position sometime in your 30’s or 40’s…

I can’t see where the jobs are going to be for older people in the future, especially as there will be so many unemployed youngsters…

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I work in the R&D department of a large defence contractor, the other day we were told the project book is bare and we’d be subject to a 10% headcount reduction, in this ‘first wave’ of redundancy, those at risk had already been informed.

Those that took the hit this time were almost exclusively the oldies (55+), many of the guys had been employed there for decades and in their time had been considered ‘bright young things’, many having gained a degree or PhD when it was the preserve of the top 5% but in technology it’s tough to keep up after a certain age…

The lesson seemed to be that you need to get out of any front line technology position sometime in your 30’s or 40’s…

I can’t see where the jobs are going to be for older people in the future, especially as there will be so many unemployed youngsters…

Who wants to work with a load of naive company men who can never say no to the boss in case the bonus does not arrive. :P

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I work in the R&D department of a large defence contractor, the other day we were told the project book is bare and we’d be subject to a 10% headcount reduction, in this ‘first wave’ of redundancy, those at risk had already been informed.

Those that took the hit this time were almost exclusively the oldies (55+), many of the guys had been employed there for decades and in their time had been considered ‘bright young things’, many having gained a degree or PhD when it was the preserve of the top 5% but in technology it’s tough to keep up after a certain age…

The lesson seemed to be that you need to get out of any front line technology position sometime in your 30’s or 40’s…

I can’t see where the jobs are going to be for older people in the future, especially as there will be so many unemployed youngsters…

Tesco or B&Q - I shit you not.

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Tesco or B&Q - I shit you not.

You'll be competing with graduates from the top universities for such good jobs: till technician, shelf reorganisation manager, stock replenishment actuary, floor cleansing professional. The minimum requirements for a bag packer will be a physics degree plus MSc in spatial engineering.

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Who will want to employ someone in their 60's when there's a queue of people in their 20's or 30's desperate to work.

...or teens as there's a lower minimum wage for them.

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I work in the R&D department of a large defence contractor, the other day we were told the project book is bare and we’d be subject to a 10% headcount reduction, in this ‘first wave’ of redundancy, those at risk had already been informed.

Those that took the hit this time were almost exclusively the oldies (55+), many of the guys had been employed there for decades and in their time had been considered ‘bright young things’, many having gained a degree or PhD when it was the preserve of the top 5% but in technology it’s tough to keep up after a certain age…

The lesson seemed to be that you need to get out of any front line technology position sometime in your 30’s or 40’s…

I can’t see where the jobs are going to be for older people in the future, especially as there will be so many unemployed youngsters…

Don't worry it is not going to be long until a major shooting war comes along (and I don't mean the current neo colonial caper being run by the Carry On Up the Khyber team at the Ministry of Defeat)

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I can’t see where the jobs are going to be for older people in the future, especially as there will be so many unemployed youngsters…

There are going to be few jobs for anybody as time goes on. Between industrial robots in factories, computer systems in the white colar world.. and a ton of new robotics coming in the next two decades as the technology progresses.. there isn't a lot of need for many millions of human workers.

Even in those areas where humans still are needed, the millions of surplus workers from other industries come looking for work, driving down wages.

In a society like in days gone by where we needed all the human workers and more, if a company such as yours got rid of older workers, then other companies woudl eagerly pick them up for their knowledge and expertise. Today that isn't true, everywhere is cutting back. One designer today with an auto-cad program can do the work of 10 or more men a generation ago. And the program is handling more and more of the work itself with each upgrade.

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Don't worry it is not going to be long until a major shooting war comes along (and I don't mean the current neo colonial caper being run by the Carry On Up the Khyber team at the Ministry of Defeat)

Either that or a pandemic!

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They could go to work over seas, Iran may be?

I belive Iran is working on its own verson of "Starlight".....sure they like a help.

Mike

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One designer today with an auto-cad program can do the work of 10 or more men a generation ago. And the program is handling more and more of the work itself with each upgrade.

Even more insideous is the fact that as sectors tend to be dominated by a single specialised software package, it turns out that mastering that package is mastering the profession to some degree- which means that those who have climbed on board the software skills lifeboat find that anyone with a computer and a bit of cash can set up in competition with them.

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Even more insideous is the fact that as sectors tend to be dominated by a single specialised software package, it turns out that mastering that package is mastering the profession to some degree- which means that those who have climbed on board the software skills lifeboat find that anyone with a computer and a bit of cash can set up in competition with them.

Hmm, very good point. A close family members runs a design division for a power company. He finds he can train young bright people in a few weeks to do whatever experienced designers can do. The software makes the complicated things easy, like where to place transformers and what size of transformer to use and it becomes even easier to use with each upgrade. He could replace all the designers with young who would be more than happy to work for the high wages, but can't because of union rules.

Ten years ago the company bosses were worried about the coming retirement crisis. As 50% of their designers were going to retire, and no one had bothered bringing up younger designers. But now a decade later 50% of their designers have retired and others have left for one reason or another, and they find they actually have a surplus of designers, and they still haven't hired young designers.

The software also tends to standardize to best practices on a national and even international level. Whereas these companies used to have unique rules they used.

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