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Britain is part of the EU. In fact we are one of the founder members.

Would you be shocked to learn, that if the Irish vote "Yes" to the EU constitution/treaty the that The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland will cease to exist.

Did you also know that the Queen will cease to be the Head of State ?

Did you know that we will lose control of the NHS, Education, Defense, and around 97% off all of our laws ?

Did you also know that once the treaty is ratified in Ireland it is irreversable ?

Did you know the UK ratified the EU Constitution/Treaty already making it law here ?

So will all of the other Counties in the EU. We will cease to be a Sovereign Nation and instead become a State. (like Florida is to the US).

It is not in our power to change this, but only in one "Country" in the whole of the EU and thats Ireland.

What has happend ?

Did we sleepwalk into this ?

Enjoy the last days of our Country as it may very soon cease to exist. (October 2009)

What have they done ?

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We are not the founder members, we are members like poland, founder member are france italy germany, UK was pushed into it by political motives ie US pressure.

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diplomacy my dear boy.

As seen on telly just last night.

-BBC: 24 March 1980-

Sir Humphrey: "Minister, Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least the last 500 years: to create a disunited Europe. In that cause we have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, with the Germans against the French, with the French and Italians against the Germans, and with the French against the Germans and Italians. Divide and rule, you see. Why should we change now when it's worked so well?"

Jim Hacker: "That's all ancient history, surely."

Sir Humphrey: "Yes, and current policy. We had to break the whole thing [the EEC] up, so we had to get inside. We tried to break it up from the outside, but that wouldn't work. Now that we're inside we can make a complete pig's breakfast of the whole thing: set the Germans against the French, the French against the Italians, the Italians against the Dutch. The Foreign Office is terribly pleased, it's just like old times."

http://www.yes-minister.com/ymseas1b.htm#YM 1.5

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Are you referring to the European Coal and Steel Community?

He's referring to the European Union and strictly speaking he's right.

Treaty of rome was the start of a european union, and britain wasnt involved.

First enlargement (1973); Denmark,

Ireland, United Kingdom

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Britain is part of the EU. In fact we are one of the founder members.

Would you be shocked to learn, that if the Irish vote "Yes" to the EU constitution/treaty the that The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland will cease to exist.

Did you also know that the Queen will cease to be the Head of State ?

Did you know that we will lose control of the NHS, Education, Defense, and around 97% off all of our laws ?

...

So will all of the other Counties in the EU. We will cease to be a Sovereign Nation and instead become a State. (like Florida is to the US).

It is not in our power to change this, but only in one "Country" in the whole of the EU and thats Ireland.

What has happend ?

Did we sleepwalk into this ?

Enjoy the last days of our Country as it may very soon cease to exist. (October 2009)

What have they done ?

Delusional. What are you people smoking? I guess if you repeat this sort of nonsense often enough you'll get people starting to believe it.

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Delusional. What are you people smoking? I guess if you repeat this sort of nonsense often enough you'll get people starting to believe it.

I guess so. But you have answered my question. We sleeped walked into it didnt we. Thanks to people like you.

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I guess so. But you have answered my question. We sleeped walked into it didnt we. Thanks to people like you.

We didnt sleep walk into, we were forced by the US to join, so the US could have more control in the pact via its poddle britain.

Federal Europe was always the final product, infact it should have happend years ago, but the UK was the one that slowed it and thats what the US wanted.

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Were we or were we not, is really a side issue. We are now and we are stuck.

Britain could leave the EU tomorrow, and would if it had a government with any balls.

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Delusional. What are you people smoking? I guess if you repeat this sort of nonsense often enough you'll get people starting to believe it.

Not exactly on the ball with the whole EU thing are you? :rolleyes:

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If the ECB was in britain we would already be using the Euro and thats the major reason why we havent join the Euro currency.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union

the EU was established by the Treaty of Maastricht on 1 November 1993 upon the foundations of the pre-existing European Economic Community.

Masstricht SEA etc.. was just progression, to create a more intergrated union.

The European Union is set up with the aim of ending the frequent and bloody wars between neighbours, which culminated in the Second World War. As of 1950, the European Coal and Steel Community begins to unite European countries economically and politically in order to secure lasting peace. The six founders are Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Luxembourg and the Netherlands. The 1950s are dominated by a cold war between east and west. Protests in Hungary against the Communist regime are put down by Soviet tanks in 1956; while the following year, 1957, the Soviet Union takes the lead in the space race, when it launches the first man-made space satellite, Sputnik 1. Also in 1957, the Treaty of Rome creates the European Economic Community (EEC), or ‘Common Market’.
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Were we or were we not, is really a side issue. We are now and we are stuck. Dont let trivial facts blind you from what is happening in the here and now.

This is the worst thing about david cameron. He isn't pushing for an election but letting brown drag it out and lose further support. Cameron is spouting about giving us a referendum should the irish vote no but this is just political bs. In playing politics and being more concerned about coming to power, cameron is going to sit idle while the irish vote yes and then for the rest of his career will get to blame labour for what happened.

I know that blair ratified it, without the peoples consent, but until the irish do then there is still hope.

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He isn't pushing for an election

But that's nonsense. How many times has he said, "We need an election now!" The fact is that given Brown's large majority he doesn't have the power to force an election so pushing for one hard enough to satisfy you would just make him look ridiculous.

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But that's nonsense. How many times has he said, "We need an election now!" The fact is that given Brown's large majority he doesn't have the power to force an election so pushing for one hard enough to satisfy you would just make him look ridiculous.

have you watched any of the pmq's?

Cameron isn't pushing the issue, he has been giving brown an easy ride.

When cabinet members were resigning all over and sterling dropped like a stone for fear that brown wasn't going to be back after the weekend, where was cameron?

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The only reason why most dont want full intergration with the EU, IS britain has no control over it, and the thats the main and only reason. If britain was in control we would be into futher that anyother member. Britain want the financial capital of euro to be here not in gemany, if the EU financial capital was here they would join.

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Britain is part of the EU. In fact we are one of the founder members.

Would you be shocked to learn, that if the Irish vote "Yes" to the EU constitution/treaty the that The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland will cease to exist.

Dream on. We should be so lucky.

The EU may do some things for us, but it isn't going to rid us of Scottish rule, from the government that brought us the Westlothian question. Not even an election will fix the broken constitution, though it should at least kick out the present lot.

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The only reason why most dont want full intergration with the EU, IS britain has no control over it, and the thats the main and only reason. If britain was in control we would be into futher that anyother member. Britain want the financial capital of euro to be here not in gemany, if the EU financial capital was here they would join.

I disagree.

Those that oppose further integration with the EU (thats most of us in Britain and in much of Europe - see referendums and opinion polls) want to maintain the ability to elect their own leaders and make their own laws - they have no interest in controlling the French or Italians.

Why can't the EU just be a trading block? Why does it want its own armed forces, foreign minister and president? From the beginning a European Superstate with European (not anglo-saxon) laws and customs has been the objective.

public opinion will be led to adopt, without knowing it, the proposals we dare not present to them directly
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I disagree.

Those that oppose further integration with the EU (thats most of us in Britain and in much of Europe - see referendums and opinion polls) want to maintain the ability to elect their own leaders and make their own laws - they have no interest in controlling the French or Italians.

Why can't the EU just be a trading block? Why does it want its own armed forces, foreign minister and president? From the beginning a European Superstate with European (not anglo-saxon) laws and customs has been the objective.

I cant see that it is workable

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Britain is part of the EU. In fact we are one of the founder members.

Would you be shocked to learn, that if the Irish vote "Yes" to the EU constitution/treaty the that The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland will cease to exist.

Did you also know that the Queen will cease to be the Head of State ?

Did you know that we will lose control of the NHS, Education, Defense, and around 97% off all of our laws ?

Did you also know that once the treaty is ratified in Ireland it is irreversable ?

Did you know the UK ratified the EU Constitution/Treaty already making it law here ?

So will all of the other Counties in the EU. We will cease to be a Sovereign Nation and instead become a State. (like Florida is to the US).

It is not in our power to change this, but only in one "Country" in the whole of the EU and thats Ireland.

What has happend ?

Did we sleepwalk into this ?

Enjoy the last days of our Country as it may very soon cease to exist. (October 2009)

What have they done ?

Good night out, was it?

You'll feel differently in the morning but you'll have a hell of a hangover!

Strange how being p|ssed out of one's mind makes one talk absolute b0||0cks!

Edited by a+b+c+d

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Did you know that we will lose ... around 97% off all of our laws ?

Not a bad idea considering British legal system is least effective and most expensive in the EU.

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