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not sure if this is in the right topic but

might be relevant

im looking for a new job at the moment as my current one

seems a little insecure

so checking out the local council website as they are obviously a big employer for the area

but not very many vacancies on there at the moment and in the last couple of weeks loads

of trainee positions are available

many of them are office junior jobs that i guess lots of adults wouldnt mind doing if the pay was

ok

(£95 training allowance given)

Waste Managagement Apprentice

Administration Apprentices

Cultural Worker Apprentice

Procurement Apprentice

Reprographics Apprentice

Support Worker Apprentice

is this just to get the NEETS off the dole list or something

i know bristol relies heavily on the public sector for employment and i would think is one of the hotspots

for HPI, accompanied with the usual MEW, large debts and mortgages

and i cant help but wonder what is going to happen here as i know there are lots of people really desparate

for work including me :unsure:

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not sure if this is in the right topic but

might be relevant

im looking for a new job at the moment as my current one

seems a little insecure

so checking out the local council website as they are obviously a big employer for the area

but not very many vacancies on there at the moment and in the last couple of weeks loads

of trainee positions are available

many of them are office junior jobs that i guess lots of adults wouldnt mind doing if the pay was

ok

(£95 training allowance given)

Waste Managagement Apprentice

Administration Apprentices

Cultural Worker Apprentice

Procurement Apprentice

Reprographics Apprentice

Support Worker Apprentice

is this just to get the NEETS off the dole list or something

i know bristol relies heavily on the public sector for employment and i would think is one of the hotspots

for HPI, accompanied with the usual MEW, large debts and mortgages

and i cant help but wonder what is going to happen here as i know there are lots of people really desparate

for work including me :unsure:

"Cultural Worker Apprentice" -- the apprenticeship never ends. I've been at this nationalist cobblers 30 years man and boy. Hardest game in the world.

As for "Procurement Apprentice", is that a teenage pimp with dark glasses and a pencilled-on moustache, or what?

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I think there are some government initiatives to get the under 25s off the dole.

Future Jobs Fund

The Future Jobs Fund is a fund of around £1 billion to support the creation of jobs for long term unemployed young people and others who face significant disadvantage in the labour market.

The Fund was announced in Budget 2009 and is to be spent over the next two years. It is a challenge fund which invites organisations to submit bids for funding.

The fund is run by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) in partnership with the Department for Communities and Local Government (CLG).

The Fund aims to create 150,000 jobs. These will be aimed primarily at 18-24 year olds who have been out of work for a year. This will support the guarantee that from 2010 everyone in this age group who has been looking for work for a year will get an offer of a job or training lasting at least 6 months, and so we are keen to encourage bids from all areas across Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales). We will also specifically target 50,000 jobs in unemployment hotspots and anticipate that around 10,000 of the 150,000 jobs created will be green jobs.

We want to encourage innovative bids to create jobs and the Government is keen to work with local authorities, social enterprises and charities to turn this important priority into a reality."

etc.

A government doing something or being seen to do something. 'Investing' in its young people.

Or cheap labour at the expense of more expensive labour?

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I would say that they are trying to cut their wage bill more than wanting to

help these youngsters out.

It is fixed term so not likely to be a real job at the end of it, so its a way of getting around the minimum wage and redundancy laws

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Public sector is overwhelmed by job seekers. You need to “know†someone to get a decent public sector job these days. The thing is most public sector jobs do not require real skills, anyone can do it, so any one can apply it. Nepotism is very prevailing in public sector.

I know some fat cat spending most of day talking about his favorite football team and is paid £80,000 a year. The only authority can get rid of him (not even his direct boss) is a council committee which is chaired by - you guesed, his brother. Remember those MP paying their sons and daughters FULL salary while they were studing drama/art FULL TIME in uni?

I mentioned it before - the regular customers of the pub I go to have halved. The scary thing is that the remaining ones are either working in agriculture or public sector workers. The public sector ones are like "Recession? What recession? I just got a pay rise! And I am having three weeks off in southern France!!"

The ones no longer turn up in the pub are all looking for or just found a job in public sector. 3 of my friends’ daughters are graduating this year, all of they are becoming teachers. They didn’t even bother looking for any other jobs. When I asked them why they want to become a teacher, I was absolutely horrified as they told me because they “just want to get a mortgageâ€. What kind of motivation is that? What can we expect our education quality from that?

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How it works is this.

At the moment there is a no-hire policy for most councils - certainly the one I'm in is working on that basis.

What they do is put the work on other staff - and then wait until they crack.

The policy is to not hire when someone leaves - but save for as long as possible their salary by not recruiting - but trying to spread the work around amongst other members in the team.

This works well if the team has generic skills - but fails if the person who walks out the door - is a specialist.

I'm walking out the door as a specialist - and the Council have declared my job was worthless - and so doesn't need to hire someone else - instead - I'm now training up someone who is a junior level employee to be a senior in less than 3 weeks.

Whilst I will do as much as I can to do a brain dump - because I like the new guy - there's a part of me that wonders why, since all my skills prior to joining the Council and during my work at the Council were paid by me privately - since they claimed they never had the budget - all my certifications were at my own expense despite the Council benefitting.

Most of my experience was gained through the private sector - but has benefitted the local Council at no cost to themselves. But even when working in the private sector - all my certs were gained and paid for by me - not the private sector.

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How it works is this.

At the moment there is a no-hire policy for most councils - certainly the one I'm in is working on that basis.

What they do is put the work on other staff - and then wait until they crack.

The policy is to not hire when someone leaves - but save for as long as possible their salary by not recruiting - but trying to spread the work around amongst other members in the team.

This works well if the team has generic skills - but fails if the person who walks out the door - is a specialist.

I'm walking out the door as a specialist - and the Council have declared my job was worthless - and so doesn't need to hire someone else - instead - I'm now training up someone who is a junior level employee to be a senior in less than 3 weeks.

Whilst I will do as much as I can to do a brain dump - because I like the new guy - there's a part of me that wonders why, since all my skills prior to joining the Council and during my work at the Council were paid by me privately - since they claimed they never had the budget - all my certifications were at my own expense despite the Council benefitting.

Most of my experience was gained through the private sector - but has benefitted the local Council at no cost to themselves. But even when working in the private sector - all my certs were gained and paid for by me - not the private sector.

Where I work - construction company that relys heavily on PFI - there are rumours that permanent employees i.e. low tier engineers, admin staff etc are being booted out to make way for graduates. 99% of the graduates they take on are fookin useless though!

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Recession? What recession? I just got a pay rise! And I am having three weeks off in southern France!!"

The ones no longer turn up in the pub are all looking for or just found a job in public sector. 3 of my friends’ daughters are graduating this year, all of they are becoming teachers. They didn’t even bother looking for any other jobs. When I asked them why they want to become a teacher, I was absolutely horrified as they told me because they “just want to get a mortgageâ€. What kind of motivation is that? What can we expect our education quality from that?

I think they are smart for choosing the public sector. I end up talking to young people a fair amount and my advice is always go to the public sector. Make more money, 100x the job security, paid year round(not just when there is work), great benefits.

The only time I don't give this advice is for exceptionally bright young people. I'm talking the people in the top 5% of the IQ scale. I say they have a shot of competing and winning in the private sector where the rewards can be nearly unlimited. Even here I say if they just want a career somewhere go for the state.

I honestly think it goes with technology. The private sector is increasingly automating everything. They increasingly don't need millions of average people doing routine jobs.

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I think they are smart for choosing the public sector. I end up talking to young people a fair amount and my advice is always go to the public sector. Make more money, 100x the job security, paid year round(not just when there is work), great benefits.

The only time I don't give this advice is for exceptionally bright young people. I'm talking the people in the top 5% of the IQ scale. I say they have a shot of competing and winning in the private sector where the rewards can be nearly unlimited. Even here I say if they just want a career somewhere go for the state.

I honestly think it goes with technology. The private sector is increasingly automating everything. They increasingly don't need millions of average people doing routine jobs.

So the public sector is to be a playground for the thick but on a good salary?

You are of course right - the tables have been turned - it is now better to work in the public sector, much better. This is a very dangerous situation for our real economy (its called crowding out), and it leads to the type of economy that for example Greece and other quasi-corrupt, nepotistic states have.

Your views on technology and their effects are crazy BTW. For example, over the last 30 years we have had the biggest technology leaps ever and yet more people are required to work harder to make ends meet. The extra portit being syphoned out by bankers and government machines.

Automation simply means more efficiency and thus lower prices to ascertain a business advantage - not something that a technocrat would understand anything about.

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Well, as with any employer it would depend on the job you do

I cant imagine any council cleaners making that much cash on £6 ph

But the Council and government have a whole middle class to support

so i guess thats where the money goes

Without the council as an employer, the middle and faux middle classes would be decimated but

the average worker would most likely just get another job

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So the public sector is to be a playground for the thick but on a good salary?

Yes that is my opinion. Most people are of average intelligence.. they can't be groundbreaking software programmers, pharma researchers etc... what they can do is learn a routine task of some complexity and do it. But.. computers are rapidly moving up the complexity scale of what they can handle.

You are of course right - the tables have been turned - it is now better to work in the public sector, much better. This is a very dangerous situation for our real economy (its called crowding out), and it leads to the type of economy that for example Greece and other quasi-corrupt, nepotistic states have.

Or is it the collapse of good paying, high benefit, high security jobs in the private sector for people of average and below average intelligence. Aka the big majority of people. Steel mills employs between 10%-20% of the workers they did in 1960 yet produce the same volume of steel. It leads to people working at lower value jobs, and a surplus of labour which further drives down wages.

Your views on technology and their effects are crazy BTW. For example, over the last 30 years we have had the biggest technology leaps ever and yet more people are required to work harder to make ends meet. The extra portit being syphoned out by bankers and government machines.

People are also moving to lower value jobs, as the machines take over their former high value work. Eg.. they become an estate agent in an area that already has lots of agents, and are fighting for a few sales to make ends meet.

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Whilst I will do as much as I can to do a brain dump - because I like the new guy - there's a part of me that wonders why, since all my skills prior to joining the Council and during my work at the Council were paid by me privately - since they claimed they never had the budget - all my certifications were at my own expense despite the Council benefitting.

Most of my experience was gained through the private sector - but has benefitted the local Council at no cost to themselves. But even when working in the private sector - all my certs were gained and paid for by me - not the private sector.

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