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A good read. The question is how do you get the current capitalists to give up their ill-gotten gains. The answer unfortunately is that they won't, not without a fight. That is why the current system needs to be completely destroyed before a new system can be introduced. And how do you explain this to your fellow lunatics within the asylum, they think that this craziness is normal.......

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Actually the job culture, for all its faults, is highly suited to a bone-idle person like me, who has been adept at finding the best-protected and yet most unproductive job in any organisation.

Now I'm looking at buying some agricultural land and starting a small farm - but the idea of the WORK I'll have to put in fills me with dread......

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Actually the job culture, for all its faults, is highly suited to a bone-idle person like me, who has been adept at finding the best-protected and yet most unproductive job in any organisation.

Now I'm looking at buying some agricultural land and starting a small farm - but the idea of the WORK I'll have to put in fills me with dread......

As tongue in cheek as this is theres a lot of truth in it. The currrent "standard" arrangement does work for a lot of people.

We seem unable to pay people more for less time / effort expended (as productivity increases would suggest we might) so instead we tolerate massive wasted time. (unless you are a burger flipper of course)

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A good read. If you like that, try Tom Hodgkinson's how to be free / idle.

The wider point for me is the bit around freedom. Many/most people may well be happiest under the current system, but for those who want to opt out of it there are too many laws/rules/restrictions etc

the game is rigged

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Nice article that neatly highlights the distinction between free enterprise (the free market) and our current business culture.

Most people can't fathom the difference because leftists have spent so long pointing fingers at straw men and calling them capitalist.

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A good read. If you like that, try Tom Hodgkinson's how to be free / idle.

The wider point for me is the bit around freedom. Many/most people may well be happiest under the current system, but for those who want to opt out of it there are too many laws/rules/restrictions etc

the game is rigged

The main problem is the minute anyone tries to set up something different, the establishment destroys it if it can. If it can't, it brands it as something evil and prevents debate in the mainstream.

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A good read. If you like that, try Tom Hodgkinson's how to be free / idle.

The wider point for me is the bit around freedom. Many/most people may well be happiest under the current system, but for those who want to opt out of it there are too many laws/rules/restrictions etc

the game is rigged

I agree. I think the majority of people are incapable of truely free thought. It can even scare some...because it acknowledges the fact we are alone...

There will always be drones....its the way nature works.

The problem is, as has been pointed out by Postigol...the free thinkers are a threat to the system and so are cajoled/forced by insane laws to adhere to the system..

I`ve always been of the mind that I only work as much as I need, to make myself feel secure from too much interference by the state.

Youth go through a stage of rebellion. As they clearly see the state or authority figures as brain dead and devoid of free thought....but slowly and surely are manipulated into compliance..

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In many ways I actualy tick most of the boxes that make me a 'free person'. As an 'artisan' I design, manufacture,market and distribute my own 'product.'

But I can only live this way because most people don't. If we all quit our jobs and went to set up cottage industries our civilisation would fall over.

I read somewhere that the average caveman worked about eight hours a week- those guys were not as dumb as they looked. :lol:

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In many ways I actualy tick most of the boxes that make me a 'free person'. As an 'artisan' I design, manufacture,market and distribute my own 'product.'

But I can only live this way because most people don't. If we all quit our jobs and went to set up cottage industries our civilisation would fall over.

I read somewhere that the average caveman worked about eight hours a week- those guys were not as dumb as they looked. :lol:

Free! :rolleyes: Most of your views are 'off-the-shelf' liberal left.

Everyone, could quit their jobs and work for themselves. It's what will happen, eventually, it's inevitable. Sure there's those who want no more responsibility than bolting a car door handle on a production line all day long. Some new conceit that offers the illusion of certainty will, no doubt, come along to fill the void.

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You mean you sell your own turds????

I'm sure a salient link could be found for this but, please could no-one bother.

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In a system of genuine free enterprise, millions (perhaps even billions) of people could lead highly self-determined lives. Millions of free enterprisers could choose to set their own hours, make products of their own choice, trade with whom they wished, close up shop when they didn't care to work, bring the kids and dogs into the business, work from home, bring in helpers as needed, follow the rhythms of the seasons, or otherwise structure their own lives as they saw fit.

Hey, that's me!

At the age of 49 I could yet be at the cutting edge of a new movement...

:lol:

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Well, I exploit my labour and pay shite wages- doesn't that make me a capitalist?

No, an idiot. ;)

Luckily, you can sack yourself without fear of being dragged to an employment tribunal.

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My word.

That's actually a very good link - cheers. I was expecting another minimum wage fest, but nope. thoughtful and dare I say it - a good read.

Capitalism is as always the solution.

Yeah. Good piece

Modern 'capitalism' is merely 'resource allocation' disguised as capitalism. It's a total fantasy.

The reality is, the people running the show expect YOU to live on less while they allocate all the recources and real wealth to themselves. And man, they are doing a Sterling job! Our casino 'capitalist' system is a contrivance designed to asset strip the people, nothing more. There are hedge funds out there betting that the share price of a company or the value of a pension will DECREASE! What kind of capitalism is that? It isn't capitalism. It's a fekkn casino for people who have access to funny money but every hit they make will come out of some poor suckers' wealth. What a sham and a mockery.

But they get away with it because the bovine masses do not understand what capitalism OR socialism are reallty all about and that is precisely how they want to keep it.

Just keep on reading the Sun, watching the footy and being a good, obedient slave while the elites wrap the Union Jack around a flagpole and jam it up your collective a$$holes. ;)

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Pardon me for being confused. Stuff like this;

The traditional case against jobs and the Job Culture comes from the left, which warns us of exploited workers, mindless consumerism, and environmental destruction. Meanwhile, the right cheers what it mistakenly calls free enterprise.

But if anybody should rail against the Job Culture and endeavor to bring it down, it should be libertarians, anarcho-capitalists, and true conservatives.

Free enterprise – if that's truly what we had – would be an overall good.

A true system of free enterprise is one in which the largest number of individuals are free to engage in the widest possible variety of enterprises, in the widest possible variety of ways.

In a system of genuine free enterprise, millions (perhaps even billions) of people could lead highly self-determined lives. Millions of free enterprisers could choose to set their own hours, make products of their own choice, trade with whom they wished, close up shop when they didn't care to work, bring the kids and dogs into the business, work from home, bring in helpers as needed, follow the rhythms of the seasons, or otherwise structure their own lives as they saw fit.

The cultural assumption of a true free enterprise system would be: “Individuals are responsible for their own lives and labors. They trade as equals, but are beholdin' to nobody.â€

Free enterprise isn't anything like big-corporate capitalism. We've been told the two are equivalent, but that's just another bit of cultural brainwashing.

is what I've spent dozens of pages trying to say (less articularly) on BBCs previous threads. Nothing in there about minimum wages or extrenal interference in freely made agreements.

Dare we hope that he has come around?

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Pardon me for being confused. Stuff like this;

is what I've spent dozens of pages trying to say (less articularly) on BBCs previous threads. Nothing in there about minimum wages or extrenal interference in freely made agreements.

Dare we hope that he has come around?

No, he just isn't bright enough to see past dichotomies and axioms. Good vs evil, black vs white. Anyone who doesn't believe in the artificial inflation of wages is the satanic lovechild of a union between Ronald McDonald and Wendy.

Ironically, he'll have seen this as exactly the sort of rage against the machine piece that's right up his street, without realising he's unwittingly stepped over to the other side.

Edited by Soon Not a Chain Retailer

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No, he just isn't bright enough to see past dichotomies and axioms. Good vs evil, black vs white. Anyone who doesn't believe in the artificial inflation of wages is the satanic lovechild of a union between Ronald McDonald and Wendy.

Ironically, he'll have seen this as exactly the sort of rage against the machine piece that's right up his street, without realising he's unwittingly stepped over to the other side.

Ahem....

Exactly, people don't understand that work ethic is a better qualification than any degree certificate.
Why is unemployment a bad thing? Why can't it be a glorious opportunity for leisure, contemplation, and creativity? Why is paid work of higher status than unpaid work, even when the unpaid work may be more enjoyable or beneficial? Why is getting a “good†job such an all-consuming goal �" especially when most people find their jobs boring, aggravating, meaningless, or otherwise stressful? Why would anybody in his right mind think some dismal thing called a “work ethic†is good for a person?

hoisted by your own petard ;)

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My word.

That's actually a very good link - cheers. I was expecting another minimum wage fest, but nope. thoughtful and dare I say it - a good read.

Capitalism is as always the solution.

"Capitalism is as always the solution." , look , quick, over your head,aww, see the pretty con-trails ?

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