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New Labour To Ease Local Council Pensions

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Boomers proposing a continuation of high benefits funded by generations X, Y, Z...................you get the drift.

As a useful sidebar, NuLabour get to kick the mounting local council pension deficit issue in to the long grass.

Disgraceful :angry:

Monty

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3ac4c3a4-6819-11...144feabdc0.html

Ministers consider changes on council pensions

By Norma Cohen

Published: July 3 2009 23:36 | Last updated: July 3 2009 23:36

Funding requirements for 3.7m council workers’ pensions could be loosened by the government to avoid a sharp increase in local taxes or a showdown with the unions.

According to a paper by the local government department seen by the Financial Times, councils should not have to keep enough money on hand to pay all promised pension benefits because their “constitutional permanence†means that they do not face the same threat of bankruptcy as private companies.

Many local authorities face spiralling pension deficits, but the paper says the cost of addressing the shortfalls, which some councils say would have to include tax increases and cuts in services or workers’ benefits, could be “disproportionately significantâ€.

John Ball, head of defined benefit pensions at Watson Wyatt, the actuarial consultants, said private employers would be “open-mouthed†when they learnt of the proposals. :o:o

“If these deficits are kicked into the long grass, it will mean that the council tax payers of tomorrow have to pay for the services their parents have consumed,†said Mr Ball.

The proposals come amid a rising tide of criticism about the cost of public sector final salary pensions. Growing numbers of private employers are closing schemes to new and existing members because benefits are too risky and expensive to provide.

The local government pension scheme, which has 3.7m members, has enough money to cover only 83 per cent of its promised benefits, according to its last valuation in March 2007, when stock markets were near their peak.

According to calculations by Watson Wyatt, that is likely to have fallen to no more than 50-60 per cent funded, leaving a shortfall of about £100bn today. :o:o:o

The paper by the Department for Communities and Local Government said that by the time of the next council pension scheme valuation – in March next year – the situation was likely to be even worse.

Although most private company pension schemes are obliged to erase their deficits within 10 years, public sector employers have more leeway. The most recent average target is 20 years.

The Pensions Regulator has said it will allow longer periods for some private employers but only those using realistic assumptions about how much their pension promises will actually cost.

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"councils should not have to keep enough money on hand to pay all promised pension benefits because their “constitutional permanence†means that they do not face the same threat of bankruptcy as private companies."

Tell that to California.

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inflation.

That doesn't really help matters, in fact it makes the deficits worse, these are copper-bottomed indexed linked pensions remember.

They'll eventually have to resort to outright fraud, just like Argentina :-

Needless to say, the Kirchner government (part II) is unable to raise any money on the global markets at a tolerable price.

Investors have already been burned by her stealth default on Argentina’s index linked bonds. This was achieved by sacking the head of the statistics office and rigging the inflation data (by 20pc annually, or so.)

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Always makes me laugh when people I know who work in the public sector tell me that they are going to get gold plated pensions when they retire! :lol:

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Always makes me laugh when people I know who work in the public sector tell me that they are going to get gold plated pensions when they retire! :lol:

Why?

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Why?

Because they are not actually going to get them perhaps.

As far as the inflation proofing goes, I think the annual increases are capped to 5% in a lot of cases, so they can still be eroded by printing.

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