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http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi...icle6626811.ece

France is being forced to import electricity from Britain to cope with a summer heatwave that has helped to put a third of its nuclear power stations out of action.

With temperatures across much of France surging above 30C this week, EDF’s reactors are generating the lowest level of electricity in six years, forcing the state-owned utility to turn to Britain for additional capacity.

Fourteen of France’s 19 nuclear power stations are located inland and use river water rather than seawater for cooling. When water temperatures rise, EDF is forced to shut down the reactors to prevent their casings from exceeding 50C.

A spokesman for National Grid said that electricity flows from Britain to France during the peak demand yesterday morning were as high as 1,000MW — roughly equivalent to the output of Dungeness nuclear power station on the Kent coast.

Nick Campbell, an energy trader at Inenco, the consultancy, said: “We have been exporting continuously from this morning and the picture won’t change through peak hours, right up until 4pm.â€

EDF warned last month that France might need to import up to 8,000MW of electricity from other countries by mid-July — enough to power Paris — because of the combined impact of hot weather, a ten-week strike by power workers and ongoing repairs.

EDF must also observe strict rules governing the heat of the water it discharges into waterways so that wildlife is not harmed. The maximum permitted temperature is 24C. Lower electricity output from riverside reactors during hot weather usually coincides with surging demand as French consumers turn up their air conditioners.

One power industry insider said yesterday that about 20GW (gigawatts) of France’s total nuclear generating capacity of 63GW was out of service.

Much of the shortfall this summer is likely to be met by Britain, which, since 1986, has been linked to the French power grid by a 45km sub-sea power cable that runs from Sellindge in Kent to Les Mandarins.

A statement from EDF played down the heat problems, saying that the French system continued to meet customer demands — but similar heatwaves have caused serious problems in France in the past.

In 2003, the situation grew so severe that the French nuclear safety regulator granted special exemptions to three plants, allowing them temporarily to discharge water into rivers at temperatures as high as 30C. France has five plants located by the sea and EDF tries to avoid carrying out any repairs to them during the summer because they do not suffer from cooling problems.

It doesn't say what price the French are paying for it.

You can guarantee if it was the other way we'd be paying a premium for it.

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It doesn't say what price the French are paying for it.

They are going to pay in Euro, that gives them a big enough discount :rolleyes:

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since they are buying on a competitive market then they will pay market price. We import electricity from them sometimes and the same applies. No big deal really.

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Couldn't we have insisted on a Carla Bruni/Sarah Brown swap as part of the deal? And a nice case of Laffite?

Missed opportunity...........

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Yeah we are like their bitches...we pay rip off prices to subsidize the French grid

'London energy prices "among the lowest in Europe"' [May 2009]:

http://www.utilityweek.co.uk/news/uk/elect...s-among-the.php

Household energy prices vary widely across the capital cities of the "EU-15" countries and London's are among the lowest.

That was the conclusion of research by E-Control, the Austrian energy regulator, and energy think tank VaasaETT.

The two organisations examined household electricity and gas prices across capital cities in the EU's western member states. They found that Londoners pay less than half the price for electricity and gas than their counterparts in some EU capital cities.

They found the highest electricity prices in Copenhagen, Denmark, where consumers pay 30.88 Euro cents per kWh. London was at eleventh place in the table, with users paying on average just 14.05 Euro cents. Paris, Stockholm, Helsinki and Athens were lower. The lowest price was 11.43 Euro cents.

The researchers found that gas prices were highest in Stockholm, Sweden, where households pay 13.71 Euro cents per kWh. London was the lowest priced of all the cities, with households paying just 4.26 Euro cents.

The figures included local taxes.

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This is exactly what the cross channel connection was designed for, France supplies Britain in winter when the rivers are full and their stations can run at full capacity, and in summer Britain supplies france when the water level in the rivers is lower.

Dungeness power station is very near to where the connection is based is owned by Edf.

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Suspicions that foreign power giants are picking the pockets of British consumers, while looking after those at home, seemed to be confirmed by figures published yesterday.

Britain has faced the highest energy price rises in Western Europe in the past year, while countries such as Germany and France have seen falls.

Britain has faced the highest energy price rises in Western Europe in the past year

Most of Britain's big energy suppliers are owned by German, French and Spanish firms, which have cut prices in their home countries while keeping prices high in the UK.

The damning figures come from

the latest inflation study produced by the respected Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).

Its Consumer Prices Index shows UK energy inflation at 12.1 per cent in the past year.

By contrast there were falls of 0.8 per cent in Germany, 6.5 per cent in France and 7.2 per cent in Spain.

The wholesale price of gas and electricity has collapsed by 40 per cent since last summer, yet most of the energy giants have failed to pass this on in this country.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11...rice-hikes.html

Edited by arthurwasright

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What -this Carla Bruni? Are you mad?

20060707-carla-bruni-1.jpg

EDIT: I think I just had a power surge.

Nice! Was that from your *cough* private collection? :unsure:

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What -this Carla Bruni? Are you mad?

20060707-carla-bruni-1.jpg

EDIT: I think I just had a power surge.

The poor girl has to walk around in dresses like that to cool herself down, do your duty, donate some juice so she can get the air conditioning running again and prevent a wave of heart attacks each and every time she walks down the street in search of ice to cool her hot body.

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Energy companies claim that while price rises in the UK have been higher, we were starting from a lower base figure than other nations.

The Energy Retail Association said: 'The UK has the most competitive market for gas and electricity in the world. The OECD figures don't show the actual level of prices, just the change over the last 12 months.

'Recent Government data shows that domestic gas prices are still the lowest in the main EU area.'

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No there's more where that came from....Mr Google images.

There's one with her wearing a nice hat but I daren't post it here in case I get banned....

Your post just made the self-banned Mr Parry blow steam out of his ears.

I guess that's why she married Sarko, because she couldn't afford any clothes.

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The energy retail association :lol:

Yeah.. :rolleyes: they're unbiased aren't they

They're current holding retail prices way up high despite the huge fall in wholesale prices, the disparty has ripped us to the tune £1.3b so far this year, Ofgem has said... blah.

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No there's more where that came from....Mr Google images.

There's one with her wearing a nice hat but I daren't post it here in case I get banned....

(very tasteful though - artistic I would say)

http://frogsmoke.com/wp-content/uploads/20...0bruni%2019.jpg

Have to say it does look very hot there.

No wonder the poor fella can't walk straight. (Fully clothed safe for work)

http://www.thedivanetwork.com/wp-content/u...carla-bruni.jpg

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It doesn't say what price the French are paying for it.

You can guarantee if it was the other way we'd be paying a premium for it.

EDF are putting there prices up in France next month

I read the article that you posted from The Times so i checked it out here on AFP, Google, France info etc

Nobody has heard of this news here

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The energy retail association :lol:

Yeah.. :rolleyes: they're unbiased aren't they

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Retail_Association

Doesn't matter whether they are biased or not -- electricity prices are published for all to see. They are correct in saying that UK prices are still relatively cheap, just not by as much as they were. What they didn't mention is that the pound has fallen against the dollar -- the currency in which primary energy sources like oil and gas are traded -- so UK electricity prices are likely to be reduced by less than those denominated in euros.

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EDF are putting there prices up in France next month

Is that a result of the recent EU investigation?

'Electricity Prices in France Under Investigation' [April 2009]:

http://www.french-property.com/news/money_...tricity_prices/

Electricity prices to business and individual consumers are regulated by the government, who decide each year by how much EDF can put up their prices.

These prices are generally lower than is being offered by their competitors, and it is likely the EU Commission considers that EDF may be keeping their prices artificially low in order to stall a liberalisation of the market.

The EU Commission is opposed to regulated prices, as they consider it a distortion of the market. They are placing huge pressure on France (and also Germany) to end its use in order to open up the market to other providers.

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I think the most important question is:

If we need electricity, and the FRENCH need electricity, and the FRENCH own our power-station, WHO GETS PRIORITY.

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This is exactly what the cross channel connection was designed for, France supplies Britain in winter when the rivers are full and their stations can run at full capacity, and in summer Britain supplies france when the water level in the rivers is lower.

In recent years most of the transfer has been one-way...

'HVDC Cross-Channel':

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVDC_Cross-Channel

As of 2005 imports of electricity from France have historically accounted for about 5% of electricity available in the UK. Imports through the interconnector have generally been around the highest possible level, given the capacity of the link. In 2006, 97.5% of the energy transfers have been made from France to UK, supplying the equivalent of 3 million English homes. The link availability is around 98%, which is among the best rates in the world. The continued size and duration of this flow is open to some doubt, given the growth in demand in Europe for clean electricity, and increasing electricity demand within France.

In winter, France is also an importer of peak-load electricity...

'French power myths' [May 2008]:

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/f...ower-myths.aspx

France in 2007 exported 83 terawatt-hours and imported 27.5 TWh, indeed a large net export. What the ambassador does not say is that France cheaply exports baseload power and imports very expensive, essentially fossil fuel peak-load power to use in madly wasteful heating systems in the winter. Net power imports from nuclear phase-out country Germany alone averaged about 8 TWh over the last few years. The CO2 emissions linked to these imports are, of course, attributed to the exporting country and not to France.

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I think the most important question is:

If we need electricity, and the FRENCH need electricity, and the FRENCH own our power-station, WHO GETS PRIORITY.

EDF is a private firm - I guess whoever can pay the most... and iuf it becomes a nationalistic issue, ie war or economic war, then we can always nationalise them and they can't do much about it

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