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Afghanistan - The New Vietnam

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Nothing we can do about it, should have not gone there in the first place, Bush is such a moron and the Americans dont understand the world thats why they always get blow back.

Actions in Afghanistan over the past 8 years have destabalized Pakistan big time a country that has nukes that could seriously fall into the wrong hands.

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It is Vietnam in the sense that our troops are being wasted on search and destroy missions, against an increasingly agitated populace\militia that is spread out over a huge land area. Afghanistan has about the same number of people in it as the Southeast of England, and its many times the size.

Anecdotally, my RAF friend tells me that the bases in Qandahar are attacked several times a day with RPGs and mortars.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUee1WvtQZU

Or, to cut to the salient point:

Vizzini: Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia........................... Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...

Vizzini: [Vizzini stops suddenly, and falls dead to the right]

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It's worse, Vietnam didn't produce 90% of the world's opium and the Viet Cong weren't exactly big on the international terrorist scene.

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Already happens. ;):lol:

I mean direct from the grower. It could be just like Fairtrade coffee, where the actual producer gets a fair whack and the profit is not passed on to some scuzzy dealer/Tescos!

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I mean direct from the grower.

We could sell it to the Chinese to settle our debts. Ingenious, how do I come up with these unique ideas.

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I mean direct from the grower. It could be just like Fairtrade coffee, where the actual producer gets a fair whack and the profit is not passed on to some scuzzy dealer/Tescos!

It would probably be better than paying for civil servants and NGOs to have a high life in Kabul while most of the country goes to **** and Afghans are priced out of their own capital.

The 1990s seem like relative paradise compared to now...

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The target of the wars in the middle east is the US taxpayer.

As the system ends, the looting increases.

Yes every human organization tries to expand its own budget. The military does this by starting wars and finding threats that need to be fought. Prisons do this by incarcerating more and more people. Courts expand what is an offense that needs to be settled in court. Corporations obviously try to expand always. Religions.. you guessed it.

It is human nature, but our modern leaders and 99% of people, skipped out on reading the classic philosophy of western civilization so don't seem to comprehend this.

Otoh the Chinese leaders I notice design their policies taking into account human nature.

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Afghanistan: Kicking Britain's backside since 1842.

last-stand.jpg

A great many live could have been spared with a 30-minute history lesson for our politicians.

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It would probably be better than paying for civil servants and NGOs to have a high life in Kabul while most of the country goes to **** and Afghans are priced out of their own capital.

The 1990s seem like relative paradise compared to now...

I agree, when the worst thing the press has to say about a President is the legacy he left on a cocktail dress, then the world's a save place.

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Actually to be fair they've kicked everyone's backsides since the dawn of time..... except Ghenghis Khan, and the West doesn't have the stomach for his tactics.

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Yes every human organization tries to expand its own budget. The military does this by starting wars and finding threats that need to be fought. Prisons do this by incarcerating more and more people. Courts expand what is an offense that needs to be settled in court. Corporations obviously try to expand always. Religions.. you guessed it.

It is human nature, but our modern leaders and 99% of people, skipped out on reading the classic philosophy of western civilization so don't seem to comprehend this.

Otoh the Chinese leaders I notice design their policies taking into account human nature.

Indeed, their industrial policy is predicated around the West's enduring ability to buy endless crap.

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It would probably be better than paying for civil servants and NGOs to have a high life in Kabul while most of the country goes to **** and Afghans are priced out of their own capital.

The 1990s seem like relative paradise compared to now...

I'm totally serious; we have a shortage of medical grade morphine. Two birds, one stone.

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I'm totally serious; we have a shortage of medical grade morphine. Two birds, both stoned.

Fixed.

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Why don't we just buy their bloody opium, cheaper in the long run.

The Taliban clamped down on growing narcotics (unislamic or something). Guess that's why "we" had to get rid of them.

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Stupid war fought for stupid reasons.

At least in the past we had an Empire to defend. Now wars are fought merely to satisfy the vanity of preening British politicians who want to continue the delusion that they are somehow 'world leaders'.

The Yanks at least have the excuse that they have not been there before.

The British Foreign Office must have mountains of documents from the 19th and early 20th Century that prove the invade and hold tactic in Afghanistan does not work. Let alone the fantasy island heart and minds tripe churned out by politicians such as Brown and Milliband. In fact the best tactic used against the Taliban as with other dissident Afghan groups in the past is the judicious use of bribes to encourage factional infighting backed up by the occasional punitive expedition to burn the villages and crops of those who remained recalcitrant. The favoured British tactic in the early 20th century was simply to demolish the villages in rebel areas in the summer as they knew the local militia would be forced to divert to rebuilding them before the onset of the harsh Afghan winters.

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Stupid war fought for stupid reasons.

At least in the past we had an Empire to defend. Now wars are fought merely to satisfy the vanity of preening British politicians who want to continue the delusion that they are somehow 'world leaders'.

The Yanks at least have the excuse that they have not been there before.

The British Foreign Office must have mountains of documents from the 19th and early 20th Century that prove the invade and hold tactic in Afghanistan does not work. Let alone the fantasy island heart and minds tripe churned out by politicians such as Brown and Milliband. In fact the best tactic used against the Taliban as with other dissident Afghan groups in the past is the judicious use of bribes to encourage factional infighting backed up by the occasional punitive expedition to burn the villages and crops of those who remained recalcitrant. The favoured British tactic in the early 20th century was simply to demolish the villages in rebel areas in the summer as they knew the local militia would be forced to divert to rebuilding them before the onset of the harsh Afghan winters.

As the old saying goes, you can't buy an Afghan, but you can certainly rent him.

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Afghanistan: Kicking Britain's backside since 1842.

last-stand.jpg

A great many live could have been spared with a 30-minute history lesson for our politicians.

Again what we need is a PM who's studied and appreciates history.

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