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I work very hard. I don't care where folks come from as long as they are prpeared to work. The Uk has a minimum wage

and if jobs are dished out by a contestable process employers can employ who they like

:lol: You actually believe that minimum wage is being enforced?

Better get the camping gear ready, or learn how to live 10 to a house because if the jobs lottery draws your number, next it could be you and the odds certainly are not 14 million to one for that little number.

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Then dont complain when the amount of people in need of some kind of benefits rises like housing benefits because they are paid min wage, leading to your council tax bill rising.

While the number of people in need of some kind of benefits may well rise due to such policies, that will not increase Council Tax. Although local authorities administer Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit they are fully funded by the Department for Work and Pensions...

'Housing Benefit':

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_benefit

Local authorities reclaim the housing benefit they've paid from the Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) by means of submitting heavily audited subsidy claims. Three subsidy claims must be completed each year, an initial estimate, a mid year estimate and a final claim. The final claim must be submitted to the DWP by 31 May. The final audited claim must be submitted by 30 November. The Department for Work and Pensions pays local councils an administration grant based on the numbers of new claims and overall case-load; as well as various other cost factor adjustments to take into account the relative staff and accommodation costs.
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Is it just that 70% of the jobs on offer are perceived as not suitable for most UK residents? It has been made clear by Labour that not having a job is fine, it's almost a prerequisite to being a citizen under Labour, but Labour are about to be made redundant. It is unlikely that (and I hate to admit that we are a two party system, but) a Conservative government would carry on with the moronic concept of paying out more in benefits than is actually accrued through income tax. Perhaps our non-workshy immigrant friends have more of an idea of long term security than those that have lived here for so long and expect such unwarranted and unearnt money to continue forever do. When the benefits inevitably start to come with an actual responsibility, these immigrant will have placed themselves well for the next Conservative stint, IMHO.

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Is it just that 70% of the jobs on offer are perceived as not suitable for most UK residents? It has been made clear by Labour that not having a job is fine, it's almost a prerequisite to being a citizen under Labour, but Labour are about to be made redundant. It is unlikely that (and I hate to admit that we are a two party system, but) a Conservative government would carry on with the moronic concept of paying out more in benefits than is actually accrued through income tax. Perhaps our non-workshy immigrant friends have more of an idea of long term security than those that have lived here for so long and expect such unwarranted and unearnt money to continue forever do. When the benefits inevitably start to come with an actual responsibility, these immigrant will have placed themselves well for the next Conservative stint, IMHO.

The problem isnt with the work shy or any of the other bull like that you've been fed. Its all to do with supply and demand of labour. You artificially suppress the price paid to homegrown labour, and you depress the number of workers entering or want to enter that particular field.

It works for any occupation and is bog standard economics theory.

Why do you think so many want to be accountants? or so few want to be scientists?

The ******** stories fed about about brits not wanting to work is simply an attempt by vested interests to obfuscate that issue.

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It is unlikely that (and I hate to admit that we are a two party system, but) a Conservative government would carry on with the moronic concept of paying out more in benefits than is actually accrued through income tax.

Total welfare spending is a long-way short of income tax receipts.

'United Kingdom Central Government and Local Authority Spending Fiscal Year 2009 Amounts in £ billion':

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_welfa...pending_40.html

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Budget 2009:

http://budget.treasury.gov.uk/where_taxpay...ey_is_spent.htm

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70% of new jobs taken by migrants

Well. If we could work for less money then we would see this number go down drastically.

Unfortunately, we are a nation of lazy demanding greedy kunts who refuse to support our own country; we demand cheap stuff, no matter the human cost or moral hazard.

This is Britain. Same as it ever was.

The point you miss is that labour threw open our borders to sustain the boom, to bring in cheap labour. Had immigration been kept under control then it would not be an issue of "if we could work for less money" because employers would have had to increase wages to fill positions. Many minimum wage jobs are now filled by immigrants - take garages for example, had there not been an influx of asians here then garage owners would not have been able to fill the positions at minimum wage and would have had to inrease pay to get staff.

You could argue that cheap labour has kept inflation down but the fact is that it has done little for our economy, fed a boom to epic proportions while most cash earned by foreign labour is not invested in our economy but sent abroad. It is often argued that without cheap immigrant workers then wages would have risen as would costs and inflation, but the higher wages being earned by british workers would have been 100% spent in our economy and the strain on the benefit system would have been greatly reduced. Not to mention the effect on the benefit system that the immigrants and their families now have.

We need foreign labour here to plug our gaps, doctors, surgeons, chemists, academics etc but would have been far better off if our borders were controlled by us and we only let in those with something to offer.

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That is not a bad thing either.

Labour was exchanged for probably less than the legal wage limit, but the taxman didn't directly get paid. No huge loss and a plus for the shadow economy. Those workers still have to live and eat in Britain.

To me, that is infinitely better than some lazy British git on the dole.

if that job wasn't being done by a cheap migrant worker sharing 12 to a house and living on beans so that every penny can be taken back to poland then that could have been one less british git on the dole as it would have freed up a job.

I do believe that our benefit system is a joke though, there is plenty of work it is just that people don't fancy it. If they have commitments then they should be working regardless of the job, money is money.

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if that job wasn't being done by a cheap migrant worker sharing 12 to a house and living on beans so that every penny can be taken back to poland then that could have been one less british git on the dole as it would have freed up a job.

I do believe that our benefit system is a joke though, there is plenty of work it is just that people don't fancy it. If they have commitments then they should be working regardless of the job, money is money.

I agree with these sentiments, BUT this 70% stat is kak and we all know it.

a. I'm sure its high and growing, but not 70% and

b. if the immigrants were not accepting the job offers, British workers would not take them at the wages offered.

Not taken a stance here, just objectively stating that this is a bogus statistic (quelle surprise), like the 'losses' games companies make on due to piracy - the kids with hundreds of games couldn't afford to buy them if that was the only option FFS.

So as I say kak stats. Won't stop the Daily Fail quoting them as gospel though.

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Is it just that 70% of the jobs on offer are perceived as not suitable for most UK residents? It has been made clear by Labour that not having a job is fine, it's almost a prerequisite to being a citizen under Labour, but Labour are about to be made redundant. It is unlikely that (and I hate to admit that we are a two party system, but) a Conservative government would carry on with the moronic concept of paying out more in benefits than is actually accrued through income tax. Perhaps our non-workshy immigrant friends have more of an idea of long term security than those that have lived here for so long and expect such unwarranted and unearnt money to continue forever do. When the benefits inevitably start to come with an actual responsibility, these immigrant will have placed themselves well for the next Conservative stint, IMHO.

I studied science and so it always amazes me when people persist in using arguments that have been totally debunked. This is a great example, even senior politicians use this one.

Very few people want to work, or at least very few people want to work 9-5 as an accountant or a cleaner. They work because the pay makes it worthwhile to sell their labour. If the pay is too low, then the price will have to rise until supply meets demand. The supply of British workers is low because the cost of living is too high (houses), the cost of education is too high (hitting high-end technical jobs), taxes are too high (and regressive), and long-term benefits are too generous.

In many cases immigrants are doing work that British workers would love to do. Most traders being given massive bonuses by government backed banks are from abroad. IT and science used to be fairly popular, fairly well-paid middle class careers. Before the huge increase in immigration British workers were cleaning roads, making food, working in factories. Of course, this was before the huge increase in the welfare state, and before the rise in the cost of housing.

The argument is wrong. Stop using it.

Massive immigration is a violation of the social contract between the government and its citizens. If the British state means anything at all, and citizens are expected to give up their liberty - pay taxes, obey laws - for the benefit of the nation, then the government should be protecting the interests of its citizens. This necessitates discrimination against people who have not 'agreed' to this 'contract' - criminals and foreign nationals for example. If the government is not upholding its end of the deal, then why should I?

Of course, the government isn't troubled by this because they aren't liberals, they are capitalists. Capitalists believe that the state exists for their own interests - breaking strikes, enforcing rents, providing cheap labour - that sort of thing.

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70% of new jobs taken by migrants

Well. If we could work for less money then we would see this number go down drastically.

Unfortunately, we are a nation of lazy demanding greedy kunts who refuse to support our own country; we demand cheap stuff, no matter the human cost or moral hazard.

This is Britain. Same as it ever was.

Yeah whatever pal. They're welcome to crap jobs for subsistence pay.

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Massive immigration is a violation of the social contract between the government and its citizens. If the British state means anything at all, and citizens are expected to give up their liberty - pay taxes, obey laws - for the benefit of the nation, then the government should be protecting the interests of its citizens. This necessitates discrimination against people who have not 'agreed' to this 'contract' - criminals and foreign nationals for example. If the government is not upholding its end of the deal, then why should I?

Of course, the government isn't troubled by this because they aren't liberals, they are capitalists. Capitalists believe that the state exists for their own interests - breaking strikes, enforcing rents, providing cheap labour - that sort of thing.

I was asking this question a few days ago on this forum.. what exactly is the point of the British state if it doesn't try to stand up for its own citizens.

There are some points the elites try to be pushing. One wing wants Britain to be a model multi-cultural social democrat nation for the rest of the world to copy.. thats the point. Another wing I agree with your capitalist point, just to enforce a severe class society, for the point of having a class society. I guess it helps the value of their main capital, property as well, to cram in 10 Polish people to one house, where higher rents can be paid.

But like you said people aren't going to honour the social contract in such a nation. So the question for groups like lawyers, accountants, business decisions are is this legal? Whether it is beneficial to society doesn't even factor in. So the imo fraudulent accounting of companies led to tens of millions of people losing large amounts of their investment.. But it was technically legal I guess for the accounting firms, as they aren't in jail.

But I see this ideology of greed and legalism, just tearing apart the wealth of the nation. I'm just one person but because I don't trust them, I don't invest in the UK anymore. The balance sheets might be telling the truth, but they probably aren't.

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I was asking this question a few days ago on this forum.. what exactly is the point of the British state if it doesn't try to stand up for its own citizens.

There are some points the elites try to be pushing. One wing wants Britain to be a model multi-cultural social democrat nation for the rest of the world to copy.. thats the point. Another wing I agree with your capitalist point, just to enforce a severe class society, for the point of having a class society. I guess it helps the value of their main capital, property as well, to cram in 10 Polish people to one house, where higher rents can be paid.

But like you said people aren't going to honour the social contract in such a nation. So the question for groups like lawyers, accountants, business decisions are is this legal? Whether it is beneficial to society doesn't even factor in. So the imo fraudulent accounting of companies led to tens of millions of people losing large amounts of their investment.. But it was technically legal I guess for the accounting firms, as they aren't in jail.

But I see this ideology of greed and legalism, just tearing apart the wealth of the nation. I'm just one person but because I don't trust them, I don't invest in the UK anymore. The balance sheets might be telling the truth, but they probably aren't.

Yes I agree. The problem is that the owners of capital have taken charge of a government that has no real ideology of its own. When socialism fell apart in the 80s and 90s, it left a vacuum. The intellectually challenged labour party was ready to swallow the arguments of any glib salesman in a flashy suit.

Sure they have weird ideas about 'equality', the ideology of people like Harriet Harmen is a form of identity politics. This ideology is so weak that it can't fill the gap left by socialism, and so they bought into the capitalist rhetoric, without ever really understanding it.

I don't believe that Labour wants to slash the wages of workers in northern cities, and destroy the British IT industry. They do believe that Indians (for example) are victims of British oppression, and they deserve to be given special treatment as a result. All it takes is a few lobby groups funded by capitalists telling them that its good for the economy, and we end up with the current policy of unrestricted immigration.

Plus of course, anyone who doesn't agree is simply supporting the continued oppression of the poor Indians (with their space programme, nuclear weapons, fifty years of independence...) so they must be a racist.

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yep

there also seems to be a lot a comments in the news etc about the decline in quality of the

indigenous workforce

but not so much about the decline in quality of the uk employers

"pay peanuts and you will get monkeys"

no wonder people dont want to work

it seems that employers want the maximum amount of work for the minimum amount

of wages - understandable

but when employees want to do the minimum amount of work the maximum mount of pay this seems to

be unacceptable

double standards imho

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Well brown say he's investing and not cutting during the downturn so by that he means more money for votes as most immigrants vote labour.

maybe we need these immigrants to be allowed to have eqaual representatin in parlamont and see how our MP's like seeing their jobs go.

whats good for the goose is good for the gander

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I studied science and so it always amazes me when people persist in using arguments that have been totally debunked. This is a great example, even senior politicians use this one.

Very few people want to work, or at least very few people want to work 9-5 as an accountant or a cleaner. They work because the pay makes it worthwhile to sell their labour. If the pay is too low, then the price will have to rise until supply meets demand. The supply of British workers is low because the cost of living is too high (houses), the cost of education is too high (hitting high-end technical jobs), taxes are too high (and regressive), and long-term benefits are too generous.

In many cases immigrants are doing work that British workers would love to do. Most traders being given massive bonuses by government backed banks are from abroad. IT and science used to be fairly popular, fairly well-paid middle class careers. Before the huge increase in immigration British workers were cleaning roads, making food, working in factories. Of course, this was before the huge increase in the welfare state, and before the rise in the cost of housing.

something elkse rarely considered by those brainwashed into spouting offr about the lazy brits that won't work. Obviosly without cheap immigrant labour then wages would have had to have risen to attract staff to fill positions. The other side of the coin that is often forgotten is that many things like house prices would have atleast been stable but probably had to fall to become affordable. Labour really dropped the ball imo opening our borders up like they did to fuel the boom.

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These people are doing the jobs that lazy good for nothing British workers don't even want to do. Not like the foreigners. Even their queen would simply love to sweep your floor, or clean your toilet. English workers don't even want to do these jobs. Not like me, I can't wait to get into the office tomorrow, I love my job so much.

British workers are so lazy and stupid that even the laws of economics won't have anything to do with them. Its true! There is no clearing price at all that would make any British worker do any job!

We need foreign workers, because nobody in Britain is prepared to do menial jobs such as CEO of vodafone, or BP. We don't have the awesome, epic, planet crushing talent that is required to work in investment banking, or IT. Not like Indians, they invented IT in 1999, all we could ever manage were 'computers' that ran 'programs' which 'worked'. Pathetic.

British workers are racists and vote BNP and that's why they don't even deserve jobs or anything. Did you know that some Polish workers can actually fly? Others can become invisible on demand and emit a smell like roses and chocolate. Its totally awesome. No British worker can do that because they are racists.

This sums up nicely the effect that any of the usual Foreign workers = good, Indigenous workers = bad MSM articles are designed to have on the psyche of the unwary reader.

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yep

there also seems to be a lot a comments in the news etc about the decline in quality of the

indigenous workforce

but not so much about the decline in quality of the uk employers

"pay peanuts and you will get monkeys"

no wonder people dont want to work

it seems that employers want the maximum amount of work for the minimum amount

of wages - understandable

but when employees want to do the minimum amount of work the maximum mount of pay this seems to

be unacceptable

double standards imho

Of course it's a double standard, the arguement seems to be that workers have a moral duty to work hard no matter the conditions offered whereas employers naturally have no moral obligations the other way whatsover and are free to abandon those same workers as soon as it suits them. Capitalists basically want feudalism back only they want it stripped of the concept of noblesse oblige, worse perhaps, maybe they actually want slaves they dont need to feed or shelter.

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Kashmiri fella (hard working family man) we've just taken on was asking me the other day about JSA and housing benefit etc. He was absolutley astounded that his cousin who had came over here and married had just got a bunch of vouchers to be spent at B+Q on wardrobes and furniture etc, and a council house to put them all in.

Had to explain to him about benefits and tax take, public services which then went onto socialism/captialism/slavery etvc etc.

probabaly would have been easier to just email him a link to this site but then he would have known what i do all day!

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just some general food for thought (or for the piranhas amongst you to seize...)

How many of you have got brothers/sisters/cousins etc. who have left britain for greener pastures abroad? I have three close family members myself, as well as several in-laws. And aren't many of you also living and working abroad? Are you and your family not then immigrants in that country from whom the native workers there should be protected?

I hear people every day blaming everything from the weather to lack of jobs on immigrants only to go on to tell me about their sister who now lives in australia with their own swimming pool in some great job.

I don't think we do joined up thinking in this country any more :ph34r:

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I shake my head just how out of touch people must be.

The quality of life from claiming benefits to working on minimum wage is non-existent for these people.

What possible reason does a young British lad have to pick fruit in a field? The wage means nothing to him, he still can’t buy a house, raise a family, proceed in life, etc. In actual fact his living costs would increase from taking up this job.

Yet apparently, the pinnacle of life for this lad should be to house share with 15 East Europeans.

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and the other living costs?

That is just one example of many.

The state only supports people to the point where they have nothing.

The moment this lad gets a job, he's thrown straight into the land of high living costs and it's simply not worth his time.

Here's another question then.

If there is nothing wrong with the current situation, if it truly is spread evenly throughout the EU, why is it only the those truly hard workers from East Europe working them?

Why are those fruit fields absent of hard working French, Italian, German, Austrian, Spanish workers too?

It's called lower living costs and East Europe has it.

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