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If they had any sense then they would nationalise it.

But they will probably give it to a foreign state-owned rail company along with a few billion a year subsidy.

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Darlington to London, standard class was £162 4 years ago. Ticket now costs £276 + £9 car parking. Which is why I now drive to London, so much for reducing congestion.

Public transport should be affordable and something provided by the government at cost as a service for its people. Something successive governments have completely ignored.

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Darlington to London, standard class was £162 4 years ago. Ticket now costs £276 + £9 car parking. Which is why I now drive to London, so much for reducing congestion.

Public transport should be affordable and something provided by the government at cost as a service for its people. Something successive governments have completely ignored.

This is the age.... of the train!

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One thing I could never understand about railways, was that the tube in London always works- and is constantly on the go.

Overland rail is just so bloody expensive- and unless you reserve a seat on an intercity, a right royal hugely expensive pain in the ass

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Higher and higher transport costs also slow the nation and economy down. I could travel more, but it costs so much I would rather go for a nice hike around my city. I could drive a ways and go shopping but again the travel costs become a factor and it becomes easier to not do that.

I imagine these kinds of companies whether public or private have officer towers full of highly paid administrators and diversity outreach coordinators - and thousands more workers and administrators on generous pensions and long term disability. And all that has to be built into the cost of each ticket. As the cost of each ticket rises people like me use the service less or in my case not at all. And that means ticket prices have to rise on the remaining customers..

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Darlington to London, standard class was £162 4 years ago. Ticket now costs £276 + £9 car parking. Which is why I now drive to London, so much for reducing congestion.

Public transport should be affordable and something provided by the government at cost as a service for its people. Something successive governments have completely ignored.

It is affordable if you book 90 days in advance. I pay £21 return from Stevenage to Leeds albeit on a Saturday. Bet that fare is set to see a big increase. :(

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Darlington to London, standard class was £162 4 years ago. Ticket now costs £276 + £9 car parking. Which is why I now drive to London, so much for reducing congestion.

Public transport should be affordable and something provided by the government at cost as a service for its people. Something successive governments have completely ignored.

It's obvious to ordinary people but seemingly too difficult for the likes of transport operators.

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Overland rail is just so bloody expensive- and unless you reserve a seat on an intercity, a right royal hugely expensive pain in the ass

The thing I dont get, is if its so crap, why do people use it? Its a bit like McDonalds, you cant complain its rubbish when its packed all the time.

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This is the age.... of the train!

Read the recent Matt Taibbi article on Goldman Sachs and you'll realise Ths Is The Age of The Drain!

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"The government is not prepared to renegotiate rail franchises, because I'm simply not prepared to bail out companies that are unable to meet their commitments," Transport Secretary Lord Adonis told the BBC.

We'll hold you to that. Just wait for for more companies to join the queue. Capital flight just waiting for the next express out of here?

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It's obvious to ordinary people but seemingly too difficult for the likes of transport operators.

Trains are extremely expensive to run, particularly if you have eight carriages and less than a dozen passengers like many trains I travelled on off-peak in the UK, and the more convenient you make 'communist transport' by running more services, the more expensive it becomes. Why do you think that people who choose not to use trains should be forced to subsidise fat-cats commuting to the City from their place in the country?

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"The government is not prepared to renegotiate rail franchises, because I'm simply not prepared to bail out companies that are unable to meet their commitments," Transport Secretary Lord Adonis told the BBC.

We'll hold you to that. Just wait for for more companies to join the queue. Capital flight just waiting for the next express out of here?

They are unable to make their commitments because greed got the better of them and they overpaid for the franchise encouraged to do so by a greedy govt looking for bigger revenues.

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Trains are extremely expensive to run, particularly if you have eight carriages and less than a dozen passengers like many trains I travelled on off-peak in the UK, and the more convenient you make 'communist transport' by running more services, the more expensive it becomes. Why do you think that people who choose not to use trains should be forced to subsidise fat-cats commuting to the City from their place in the country?

You have a strange view of the railways if you think the trains are full of 'fat-cats commuting to the City from their place in the country'. Trains are empty because they are too expensive, simple as that. For instance, I am going to Wimbledon this Saturday. Cheapest ticket is £104.90 x 2 = £209.80 + £18 parking which comes to £227.80. I am taking the car as this costs £60 diesel and £38 parking so less than half the cost of the train. Its simple economics.

Additionally, how can we trust MPs to regulate train fares when they get their fares paid for on expenses. Its just numbers on a claim form to them, they are insulated from the true cost of everyday life.

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Trains are extremely expensive to run, particularly if you have eight carriages and less than a dozen passengers like many trains I travelled on off-peak in the UK, and the more convenient you make 'communist transport' by running more services, the more expensive it becomes. Why do you think that people who choose not to use trains should be forced to subsidise fat-cats commuting to the City from their place in the country?

Trains are seemingly expensive to the consumer because you pay all the costs in the form of ticket prices.

It's a bit like the government giving you a free car, with free insurance and no car tax.. and hiking fuel duty to compensate. It would make cost comparisons fair.

In any case, a lot of the reasons for expensive trains are to do with the massively botched privatisation which should never have happened.

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Darlington to London, standard class was £162 4 years ago. Ticket now costs £276 + £9 car parking. Which is why I now drive to London, so much for reducing congestion.

Public transport should be affordable and something provided by the government at cost as a service for its people. Something successive governments have completely ignored.

I think you'll find it's now £10 parking. Hence why our street (nearest to the station without a resident's scheme in operation) is always chocka.

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Trains are extremely expensive to run,

I think we just spend too much on them. More capacity at lower speed and lower cost would probably be adequate for many. The way we operate now means that infrastructure (often kindly provided for us by the Victorians) has to be maintained to a very high standard.

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Trains are seemingly expensive to the consumer because you pay all the costs in the form of ticket prices.

It's a bit like the government giving you a free car, with free insurance and no car tax.. and hiking fuel duty to compensate. It would make cost comparisons fair.

In any case, a lot of the reasons for expensive trains are to do with the massively botched privatisation which should never have happened.

Well actually not. The tax road users pay already covers the expenditure the government make on roads many times over. In fact if the left over tax from road users were spent on the trains, they could probably be free. However most taxes from road transport are spend on anything but transport.

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Darlington to London, standard class was £162 4 years ago. Ticket now costs £276 + £9 car parking. Which is why I now drive to London, so much for reducing congestion.

Public transport should be affordable and something provided by the government at cost as a service for its people. Something successive governments have completely ignored.

The UK really has no idea about public transport and its place in a countries infrastructure. This is a problem spanning many decades with governments both Lab and Con. Ultimately it is down to an electorate who will not listen to the argument that such infrastructure costs money and that has to come via taxation.

I´ve just looked up a similar distance trip here in NL. Second class return is € 54.40, first class € 92.40. Those are unrestricted tickets, traveling at any time of day. Most regular rail users here will have a yearly discount card which gives a 40% discount on those prices. There are also other promotions, etc. The price we pay for this and other top class infrastructure is direct taxation. (42% over €32k, 52% over €54k.)

Bottom line is that the British have never been prepared to pay for infrastructure. They have quickly voted out any government that has tried to address it.

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Makes you wonder why they don't just print some more money and give everyone free rail travel. Compared to the bank bailouts its small beer. Oh I forgot, that wouldn't make the elite money, silly me.

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Trains are seemingly expensive to the consumer because you pay all the costs in the form of ticket prices.

In any case, a lot of the reasons for expensive trains are to do with the massively botched privatisation which should never have happened.

You are forgetting the £4bn taxpayers subsidy.... But yes, the botched privatisation means there are now a whole lot of snouts in the trough, gobbling up taxpayer and passengers money as profits.

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Trains are seemingly expensive to the consumer because you pay all the costs in the form of ticket prices.

It's a bit like the government giving you a free car, with free insurance and no car tax.. and hiking fuel duty to compensate. It would make cost comparisons fair.

That only applies to those who either don't own a car, or those who could fulfil all their travel needs without the need for a car. Trains are stunningly expensive because, unless you live in and rarely leave a large connurbation with excellent public transport, you need the car as well anyway.

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National Express walks away from a contract and it costs them nothing, and we pick up the bill. How many years have they run it and taken the money. Unbelievable. I would like a contract like that. :angry:

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