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http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2009/j...iversity-places

Who'd be a school-leaver this year? A squeeze on jobs, apprenticeships and university places as a result of the recession spells hard times. Economists predict there will be more than 1 million unemployed under-25s by September, and in just over a month hundreds of thousands of teenagers getting their A-level results will face the toughest battle for a university place in years.

The number of 18-year-olds - who still make up around 80% of university applicants - in the population will peak at around 800,000 in 2009. And record numbers of university applications - by March they had risen by 8% on last year - have coincided with a government-imposed cap on the number of extra students universities can take on this year.

The result? Fewer options to pick up a place through the Clearing process in August, and more people vying for precious higher education places.

Ucas, the Universities and Colleges Admissions Service, suggests that, if the current trend in applications continues, as many as 50% fewer places will be available. In 2008, almost 44,000 students were accepted via Clearing. This year, that is expected to plummet to as few as 16,000.

The looming crisis is underlined in a new report from the Million+ thinktank, seen exclusively by Education Guardian. The study estimates that there could be 643,000 applicants for full-time university places in 2009, compared with 590,000 last year, not including the many more direct applications to universities from part-time students expected before September.

Extra demand

The increased interest from people looking to study as a way to avoid uncertainty in the job market is positive, says Million+. "This is a buy-in to universities as a route out of the recession that any government should welcome," the report says. "Ministers should be doing their very best to promote and fund this demand. Instead, the response from the former Department for Innovation, Universities and Skills was to cut the original allocation of funded student numbers."

Only 10,000 additional student numbers will be funded this year - 5,000 less than originally proposed and amounting to 466,000 places in total, which could be about 177,000 short of the expected demand. Both universities and the Higher Education Funding Council for England (Hefce) have been threatened with serious penalties if they over-recruit in 2009.

The moves appear to contradict government efforts to get as many people as possible to aspire to university. Applications from students from so-called non-traditional backgrounds, such as black males and those over 40, have leapt by 19.6% and 21.5% respectively this year. These are the very students most at risk of being let down, the Million+ report says, and the policy to cap participation in higher education, in effect, at the current level of 44% of 18- to 30-year-olds runs counter to the social mobility agenda of all parties.

"Young people who might have gone to university, those in their early 20s whom we wanted to go to university, and those in their 30s and 40s who have never been to university face the real prospect of being relegated to the ranks of the long-term unemployed, with all the personal, family, health and societal consequences which this brings - and with very obvious consequences for the already burgeoning call on the jobseekers allowance and income support budgets of the Department for Work and Pensions," the report concludes.

The solution? Ministers should take out a loan from the European Investment Bank (EIB) to finance more student places, at least in the short term. Million+ estimates that it would cost £90m to provide an extra 5,000 student places in 2009.

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Clearly a VI

However we have a govt openly encouraging young people to go to Uni as a way out of the dole, although this also gives you a very large debt to service. But after encouraging people to go to Uni there clearly isn't enough places for everyone.

Once more Labour speak with fork tongue.

Although clearly not everyone is suitable for academic rigour although Labour like to think everyone is.

And it's a A+++ for the funding solution. Lets take on even more debt and it's only £90m small change compared to what we've chucked at the banks so far.

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Government shouldn’t be funding 400k plus places. 125k sounds more reasonable (about 20% of the 18 yr old population)

The only thing government should do is to force universities to let anyone sit their exams and get their degrees if they pass for a reasonable fee. Say £1k pa.

That way you can get a degree from oxford studying yourself for a total sum of £3k

Everyone wins.

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The better half works for a Russel Group university in international recruitment and they have been told that the whole university has to make savings of £15m over the next few years due to the drop in the number of home students. They are offering volunteer redundancies of a year's wage if you can prove that you position is not needed but you have to be gone by October. Looks like people are queing up for it. Even the OH is thinking about it.

My friend who is a post doc told me that his department which is joint first in the country has been told to make savings of 7% which they wanto to be getting the academics to lead seminars rather than PHD students.

International recruitment is holding up very well due to the weak pound.

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Government shouldn’t be funding 400k plus places. 125k sounds more reasonable (about 20% of the 18 yr old population)

The only thing government should do is to force universities to let anyone sit their exams and get their degrees if they pass for a reasonable fee. Say £1k pa.

That way you can get a degree from oxford studying yourself for a total sum of £3k

Everyone wins.

Two things;

1. This will hit the middle class where they live. And they run this country one way or another. They might sell their house to fund it if you charge them more but to completely dismantle two thirds of the system, they'd be looking to hang people from lamposts. Its funny really, people think its all pseudo-chavs or something, the expansion is nearly all middle class girls.[*] The stats bear this out but nobody likes to mention it. Are you going to be the politician who tells a middle class father his daughter is going to work as a Governess or whatever it is nice middle class girls without degrees do these days (army? plumbing? building site?). My experience of fathers of 17 or 18 year old girls is they'll tear your face off for looking at their daughter the wrong way, buggering up their futures as they saw them, I wouldn't want to imagine it.

2. Nice idea, I've actually done it for a professional qualification in the US because I needed to get licensed and they were being pricks about grandfathering me in. But I think realistically its the answer for a very, very small fraction of the population. You over-estimate the initiative and self-discipline within the general population rather catastrophically. Now we can all stand around tutting as to why this is, but that is how it is and denying reality gets us nowhere. In short, a policy whose best use would be an excuse for the Labour party to hide behind, if that. It would suit the universities (who I assume you think this would somehow straighten out), people would be merrily throwing their money away on nothing in a way that never gets recorded on their stats. Kerching! Roll-up! Roll-up! This and similar are already offered all over the place anyway, the hard fact is that very few people want it and even fewer can work it. Has a very Ed Balls vibe about it.

* Don't tell me you thought this was a Labour policy transforming the landscape? Its social change mate, these are the daughters of 70s feminists, it was going to happen anyway. They could either take credit for it or get crushed in a wild stampede.

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The better half works for a Russel Group university in international recruitment and they have been told that the whole university has to make savings of £15m over the next few years due to the drop in the number of home students. They are offering volunteer redundancies of a year's wage if you can prove that you position is not needed but you have to be gone by October. Looks like people are queing up for it. Even the OH is thinking about it.

My friend who is a post doc told me that his department which is joint first in the country has been told to make savings of 7% which they wanto to be getting the academics to lead seminars rather than PHD students.

International recruitment is holding up very well due to the weak pound.

That's on offer where I work.

Next it will be voluntary redundancies, and there after compulsory redundancies. Our projected shortfall in an email sent by the VC was £25m which they have just found apparently. :blink:

However back to the report it clearly written by idiots so instead of 177000 losing out there solution is to make it only 172000. Why not for go reducing it by 100000 by the sums in the report that would only cost a cool £1.8bn again pocket change compared to the money wasted on the bankers.

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