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Opinion poll commissioned by the Independent suggests that voters would trust the Tories to make appropriate spending cuts more than Labour. However...

Labour was trusted more among the bottom DE social group to make the right cuts and was not far behind the Tories among the key C2 group.

...thereby vindicating, it seems, Gordo's scorched earth borrow-and-spend approach for the next year, followed by a 'Labour investment versus Tory cuts' election campaign. He knows that his only hope is to get his core vote out (i.e. C2s, Ds and Es), and this poll shows that they're basically buying his message. Sigh.

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A Comres poll, i'd trust a fairground lottery game before i'd trust Comres. About as useful a stillettoes on a soggy garden.

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Labour was trusted more among the bottom DE social group to make the right cuts and was not far behind the Tories among the key C2 group.

Not much of a revelation, that. It's not far off saying "Traditional Labour voters prefer the Labour party".

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Opinion poll commissioned by the Independent suggests that voters would trust the Tories to make appropriate spending cuts more than Labour. However...

...thereby vindicating, it seems, Gordo's scorched earth borrow-and-spend approach for the next year, followed by a 'Labour investment versus Tory cuts' election campaign. He knows that his only hope is to get his core vote out (i.e. C2s, Ds and Es), and this poll shows that they're basically buying his message. Sigh.

At the same time, he has restricted the Conservative's options.

They now have to be upfront about tax and spend as they need a clear mandate, and have to make sure Gordon gets the blame. Even so, I think they would be lucky to last a full single term once the public get hit with reality.

To be honest, the Tories are just as political as Brown and I'm not sure they want to win this one, just pin the blame (rather than being desperate to get in and save the national finances, even if it means they get voted right back out).

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A Comres poll, i'd trust a fairground lottery game before i'd trust Comres. About as useful a stillettoes on a soggy garden.

Why not? (I'm not saying you're wrong, I just have no information either way)

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You have to ask yourself if this election is worth winning.

Which ever party takes power it has to cut public spending, the markets will ensure that to be the case.

Cameron is right to tell it as it is, the voting public don't buy it then so what. We have another term of Gordo then his lies, his bs economy and his poor stewardship will come back to bite him on his own watch, he will not be able to blame 'Tory spending cuts'.

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Westminster is fast becoming irrelevant anyway. The political decisions that are going to affect this country over the next few years will be taken on the bond market and on the streets.

Edited by CokeSnortingTory

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The problem is with Gordon's plan he might not make it that long.

If high finance move against him and cause a bond strike he's screwed.

I think his real problems will start if he somehow does make it that long, and beyond. Bond buyers and ratings agencies are playing ball only because they believe the grown-ups are on the way...

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Why not? (I'm not saying you're wrong, I just have no information either way)

They use the "how would you vote if it were a legal requirement" question.

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Opinion poll commissioned by the Independent suggests that voters would trust the Tories to make appropriate spending cuts more than Labour. However...

...thereby vindicating, it seems, Gordo's scorched earth borrow-and-spend approach for the next year, followed by a 'Labour investment versus Tory cuts' election campaign. He knows that his only hope is to get his core vote out (i.e. C2s, Ds and Es), and this poll shows that they're basically buying his message. Sigh.

reads to me like labour voters fear their benefits being cut by tories so would support labour. Who can expect a bunch of sun reading, giro collecting chavs to get a grip of what is happening?

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To be honest, the Tories are just as political as Brown and I'm not sure they want to win this one, just pin the blame (rather than being desperate to get in and save the national finances, even if it means they get voted right back out).

To be fair, even a party with a real ideological commitment to sort things out (which I don't believe the Tories to be) wouldn't be able to do what's necessary in a single term, if they were then replaced by New Labour. It took three terms to make the mess, after all, and it's always harder to fix things than to break them.

Thatcher was boosted to a second term by the Falklands factor; I wonder what might work for Cameron?

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To be fair, even a party with a real ideological commitment to sort things out (which I don't believe the Tories to be) wouldn't be able to do what's necessary in a single term, if they were then replaced by New Labour. It took three terms to make the mess, after all, and it's always harder to fix things than to break them.

Thatcher was boosted to a second term by the Falklands factor; I wonder what might work for Cameron?

brown is going to take money from schools etc budgets to build council houses, blatantly buying votes at the expense of normal people that actually pay taxes. The tories may not have the commitment to sort things out but they certainly aren't trying to make things worse. Brown has become an egotistical maniac, refusing to go and refusing to admit that he was/is wrong. He has presided over the biggest boom since people got interested in tulips, he fueled and aided it and is now trying to keep it going for every day that he can cling to 'his turn' in power.

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People are finacially shortsighted.

They will vote for whoever promises the best life for the enxt 12 months, and hope that something happens in the meantime to rescue them.

Jam today.

Labour have a 50/50 chance of winning the election.

It's a crap shoot, anybodies guess. If I had to place a bet, I'de go for a hung parliment.

Labour policies are so conservative that the only way the tories can be MORE conservative and show a gap between policies is to become SO conservative that traditional labour voters, no matter how disalusioned with labour, simply wont be able to vote tory.

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People are finacially shortsighted.

They will vote for whoever promises the best life for the enxt 12 months, and hope that something happens in the meantime to rescue them.

Jam today.

Labour have a 50/50 chance of winning the election.

It's a crap shoot, anybodies guess. If I had to place a bet, I'de go for a hung parliment.

Labour policies are so conservative that the only way the tories can be MORE conservative and show a gap between policies is to become SO conservative that traditional labour voters, no matter how disalusioned with labour, simply wont be able to vote tory.

I doubt it; the realisation has dawned on people that they are idiots. Their only chance is the massive bias in the constituency boundaries that helps them, but with Scotland gone they can forget it.

Things like this can look tight but turn out to be overwhelming; there will be a landslide when people finally get the chance to vote him out. Up to now it's only been the chance to ask him to go and even those votes have been hideous for them.

Labour out, and hopefully not back for a decade or two.

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To be fair, even a party with a real ideological commitment to sort things out (which I don't believe the Tories to be) wouldn't be able to do what's necessary in a single term, if they were then replaced by New Labour. It took three terms to make the mess, after all, and it's always harder to fix things than to break them.

Thatcher was boosted to a second term by the Falklands factor; I wonder what might work for Cameron?

the tories will fix the mess in a decade then everyone will become socialist again and vote labour in. ungreatful bastards

the cycle has seemed to repeat itself for the last 50 years, no matter how many times labour bankrupt us.

I suppose we can always be ready for it next time.

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the more I think about it and the damaging cycle I described the only way to break it is to probably ban the Labour party. there would be reasonable grounds to do so with the current mess as our finances are in a worse state than in our entire modern 400+ year history.

the Labour Party should really be banned on the grounds of harming our national economy, i am sure MI5 used to try and protect against that when they were spying on Communists and that the offence exists somewhere.

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Thatcher was boosted to a second term by the Falklands factor; I wonder what might work for Cameron?

Engineer a Libyan invasion of Gibraltar, using a document found on the internet and then "enhanced" by someone in Tory central office. Liberate the brave Barbary Apes, have large victory celebration etc etc.

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the tories will fix the mess in a decade then everyone will become socialist again and vote labour in. ungreatful bastards

the cycle has seemed to repeat itself for the last 50 years, no matter how many times labour bankrupt us.

I suppose we can always be ready for it next time.

You better hope. The alternative is that the Tories can't fix it.

Thats when the fun will start, comrade.

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the tories will fix the mess in a decade then everyone will become socialist again and vote labour in. ungreatful bastards

the cycle has seemed to repeat itself for the last 50 years, no matter how many times labour bankrupt us.

I suppose we can always be ready for it next time.

The Tories didn't fix it last time they covered up the mess with the proceeds from North Sea oil, which party started selling off council houses laying the foundations for this mess we are in now.

Do you seriously think it would be any better with the Tories in charge, did any of them warn about house price growth whilst in opposition?

The would have grabbed the illusionary growth just as must as Labour did. We would still be in the same mess.

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The Tories didn't fix it last time they covered up the mess with the proceeds from North Sea oil, which party started selling off council houses laying the foundations for this mess we are in now.

Do you seriously think it would be any better with the Tories in charge, did any of them warn about house price growth whilst in opposition?

The would have grabbed the illusionary growth just as must as Labour did. We would still be in the same mess.

Exactly.....thats why we get nobody in the shadow cabinet able to stand up and say " told you so ". Perhaps Vince is the only one who tried, but any that did were told off for talking down the economy.

People have said ...why couldn't we let some of the banks fail ... Easy to say but what if you're money got wiped out. Would anybody have left anything in a bank after the first failure ?

People were allowed to borrow too much money for far too long

I can guarantee this 1 fact though... Within a few hours of a GE ..there will be people on here bitching about the Tories

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Opinion poll commissioned by the Independent suggests that voters would trust the Tories to make appropriate spending cuts more than Labour. However...

...thereby vindicating, it seems, Gordo's scorched earth borrow-and-spend approach for the next year, followed by a 'Labour investment versus Tory cuts' election campaign. He knows that his only hope is to get his core vote out (i.e. C2s, Ds and Es), and this poll shows that they're basically buying his message. Sigh.

I still can't quite believe brown has published actual capital spending figures that go down year on year to halve basically by 2012, and yet through all this he maintains this is NOT going to be a cut becasue the actual figures have been distorted by money he has brought forwards into this year and next.

Anyway I trust brown less than cameron but I still don't trust Cameron to really get under the skin of the excess' of ten years of labour... he should be able to cut total expenditure down 10% in a breeze... I'd measure success as having total govt expenditure at or around £600Bn in five years time ( In other words he has worked out the excess and spending has not grown, cuts would have been made to fund extra expenditure on key services)

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