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It is hard to believe but there are still members who argue what we are witnessing in the stock market is natural and despite the Governments guiding every other key market they just sit back and leave the most important market of all for consumer sentiment to run it's own course.

Evidence was provided throughout the crash phase were every time the panic grew too great the guiding hand stepped in. This created the strange phenomenon that despite the biggest financial crisis in memory the big up days in the crisis far outwayed the biggest down days both in % terms and occurrences. This completely goes against my understanding of fear being a stronger emotion than greed.

Well incredible even CNBC the most mainstream of mainstream have had commentators on clearly stating the current state of the market with regard to manipulation.

http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/06/cnbc...nues-to-be.html

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It is hard to believe but there are still members who argue what we are witnessing in the stock market is natural and despite the Governments guiding every other key market they just sit back and leave the most important market of all for consumer sentiment to run it's own course.

Evidence was provided throughout the crash phase were every time the panic grew too great the guiding hand stepped in. This created the strange phenomenon that despite the biggest financial crisis in memory the big up days in the crisis far outwayed the biggest down days both in % terms and occurrences. This completely goes against my understanding of fear being a stronger emotion than greed.

Well incredible even CNBC the most mainstream of mainstream have had commentators on clearly stating the current state of the market with regard to manipulation.

http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/06/cnbc...nues-to-be.html

A few weeks back they had one of the city diarists on the BBC saying that all the traders couldn't understand why the market had sustained such a long rally when everyone felt it shouldn't happen.

Surely if word of this really starts to spread, and big investors who aren't in on the game start to get fed up, then they can pull the rug from under the govt feet. I hope so as I 've been sitting on a short position for 3 months now!!

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It is hard to believe but there are still members who argue what we are witnessing in the stock market is natural and despite the Governments guiding every other key market they just sit back and leave the most important market of all for consumer sentiment to run it's own course.

Evidence was provided throughout the crash phase were every time the panic grew too great the guiding hand stepped in. This created the strange phenomenon that despite the biggest financial crisis in memory the big up days in the crisis far outwayed the biggest down days both in % terms and occurrences. This completely goes against my understanding of fear being a stronger emotion than greed.

Well incredible even CNBC the most mainstream of mainstream have had commentators on clearly stating the current state of the market with regard to manipulation.

http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/06/cnbc...nues-to-be.html

What are the NY pit traders trading?

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What are the NY pit traders trading?

I know you are not big fan of doing your own research on this particular subject.

"Larry Levin is a professional futures trader. He has been in and around the S&P 500 futures pit at the largest futures exchange in the world; the Chicago Mercantile Exchange (CME), for almost 20 years.

Larry has been trading his own account or company's proprietary accounts since 1993, trading an average of 2500-3000 E-mini S&P futures contracts a day."

Personally I don't think you can get anyone closer to the source of a majority of the manipulation.

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I know you are not big fan of doing your own research on this particular subject.

"Larry Levin is a professional futures trader. He has been in and around the S&P 500 futures pit at the largest futures exchange in the world; the Chicago Mercantile Exchange (CME), for almost 20 years.

Larry has been trading his own account or company's proprietary accounts since 1993, trading an average of 2500-3000 E-mini S&P futures contracts a day."

Personally I don't think you can get anyone closer to the source of a majority of the manipulation.

"Personally I don't think you can get anyone closer to the source of a majority of the manipulation."

Are you saying he is part of the manipulation?

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It's interesting how we get no rebuttle from either the newscaster or the other talking heads.

Their silence speaks volumes.

The free market isn't, and at no time has it been more friendly to the old boys club and politico.

Do you think maybe this after hours shadow trading system, using these 'dark liquidity' pools, is the last semblance of the real free market (obviously for the big players only)? Or is it the future and all the controls and tranparency will soon be wiped out across the board?

One feeling I have is that even the state is really not able to affect a real change in the market, as the power of computers and the sofistication of the arbitrage algorythms can wipe out even the 'best' of intentions. A few billion worth of propping up can be wiped out in a manner of seconds as the futures trading computers make their masters fortunes by shorting everything. I suppose if these computers are the attack dogs of the elite, one simply has to follow the leash.

All this said, do we really want to know what has been programmed into the machines? We really might not like what we see.

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It's interesting how we get no rebuttle from either the newscaster or the other talking heads.

Their silence speaks volumes.

I think you have a point. The newscasters tend to be chosen for their intelligence and analysis, rather than looks.

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"Personally I don't think you can get anyone closer to the source of a majority of the manipulation."

Are you saying he is part of the manipulation?

NO, I am saying he is an the best possible situation to observe it and form his opinion.

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It is hard to believe but there are still members who argue what we are witnessing in the stock market is natural and despite the Governments guiding every other key market they just sit back and leave the most important market of all for consumer sentiment to run it's own course.

Evidence was provided throughout the crash phase were every time the panic grew too great the guiding hand stepped in. This created the strange phenomenon that despite the biggest financial crisis in memory the big up days in the crisis far outwayed the biggest down days both in % terms and occurrences. This completely goes against my understanding of fear being a stronger emotion than greed.

Well incredible even CNBC the most mainstream of mainstream have had commentators on clearly stating the current state of the market with regard to manipulation.

http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/06/cnbc...nues-to-be.html

I can't get CNBC videos to play anymore. I have flashplayer and realplayer. Any tips?

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Yes. You have the optimum setup. The Lord has blessed you by making sure you can't watch this crap

Something else for you to ignore and remain blissfully in your world of clean free-market capitalism.

http://www.zerohedge.com/node/11769

NYSE Halts Transparency, Feels Goldman Program Trading Disclosure Is Unnecessary

Submitted by Tyler Durden on Tue, 06/30/2009 - 18:28

NYSE Program Trading

In a move set to infuriate and send many Zero Hedge readers over the top, the NYSE has taken action to make sure that nobody will henceforth be able to keep track of the complete dominance that Goldman Sachs exerts over the New York Stock Exchange. This basically ends our weekly Program Trading updates disclosed every Thursday indicating that Goldman has singlehandedly captured all of NYSE's program trading.

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I think you have a point. The newscasters tend to be chosen for their intelligence and analysis, rather than looks.

:lol:

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Something else for you to ignore and remain blissfully in your world of clean free-market capitalism.

http://www.zerohedge.com/node/11769

NYSE Halts Transparency, Feels Goldman Program Trading Disclosure Is Unnecessary

Submitted by Tyler Durden on Tue, 06/30/2009 - 18:28

NYSE Program Trading

In a move set to infuriate and send many Zero Hedge readers over the top, the NYSE has taken action to make sure that nobody will henceforth be able to keep track of the complete dominance that Goldman Sachs exerts over the New York Stock Exchange. This basically ends our weekly Program Trading updates disclosed every Thursday indicating that Goldman has singlehandedly captured all of NYSE's program trading.

:blink::ph34r::ph34r:

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http://pragcap.com/the-goldman-sachs-consp...-1#comment-2575

Link in there also to the Martin Armstrong comment.

Edited by Red Kharma

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All this said, do we really want to know what has been programmed into the machines? We really might not like what we see.
"Goldman spends tens of millions of dollars on this stuff. They have more people working in their technology area than people on the trading desk...The nature of the markets has changed dramatically."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trading_algorithm

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Something else for you to ignore and remain blissfully in your world of clean free-market capitalism.

http://www.zerohedge.com/node/11769

NYSE Halts Transparency, Feels Goldman Program Trading Disclosure Is Unnecessary

Submitted by Tyler Durden on Tue, 06/30/2009 - 18:28

NYSE Program Trading

In a move set to infuriate and send many Zero Hedge readers over the top, the NYSE has taken action to make sure that nobody will henceforth be able to keep track of the complete dominance that Goldman Sachs exerts over the New York Stock Exchange. This basically ends our weekly Program Trading updates disclosed every Thursday indicating that Goldman has singlehandedly captured all of NYSE's program trading.

Are you suggesting that CNBC is best watched with volume above zero, or did you mean to reply to another post?

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there was a tinfoil hat, gov. intervention moment on Bloomberg last night at the close. there's one guest who won't be asked back

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there was a tinfoil hat, gov. intervention moment on Bloomberg last night at the close. there's one guest who won't be asked back

Clip or more info please. :rolleyes:

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A tramp dancing outside Fenwicks, is this a vision of the future for Noel having placed so much of his personal wealth in the casino hoping to better his peers through his gambling but not realising the tables were always rigged?

:P

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Clip or more info please. :rolleyes:

i wish i could find it... Bloomberg aren't going to feature it that's for sure

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