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So what?

The alternative is career politicians who will never disobey a whip because they are in it for promotion. Also you get knobseters like Brown who know nothing of how the world works in real life.

This is a smokescreen started by Labour when expenses was killing them.

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Quoting Ed Balls now eh. Any port in a storm! :lol:

No, he said "So lame"

... apparently.

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John Bercow, the new Speaker of the House of Commons, was paid £40,000 by a health care firm that runs a number of special needs schools after he wrote a government report that led to an increase in special needs funding.

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Two problems; first, outside interests encourages MPs to not attend debates until demanded by the Whips: thus they vote the party line with no knowledge of the arguments for and against the proposition.

Second, external financial involvements, create instant conflictions of interest.

Viz:

John Bercow, the new Speaker of the House of Commons, was paid £40,000 by a health care firm that runs a number of special needs schools after he wrote a government report that led to an increase in special needs funding.

The core trouble with parliament, is it's a game: steeped in archaic customs and proceedures.

Simple solution: radically modernise the damned place and practises and have MPs serving for a maximum period of say four years: and thereafter back to reality.

This would then stop the preponderence of "Professional" MPs, such as failed barristers et al.

What we have to do, I believe is consider why society wants MPs?

Well, they are representatives: of us the electors: and right now, we are the last people they represent!

First is their party: next is their leader: next are their special interests: and above all else themselves.

Their main focus and interest is self-preference: elevation to cabinet or Sec. of State opens much doors for troughing; as well as a bigger pay packet and pension.

Once elevated, however, they cannot adequately represent their electors any more as they must always toe the party line.

Last thing this country needs now are such as the battery of NuLab girlies: like Blears, Morran, Kelly, Flint etc.

Rushed in simply to balance the sexes: not from any real ability.

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The more MP`s with second jobs and a bit of knowledge of the outside world and a few less clone professional politcians the better say I ...

Tony Benn was on the box the other day defending MP remuneration by claiming that it was a 24 hours a day seven days a week job.

So it looks like he was lying. What a surprise.

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Among the highest earners is Nick Raynsford, the former housing minister, who collected £148,000 from six private-sector jobs last year, mostly connected to housing,

Wonder what that means exactly?

I hope its not to do with planning allocation malpractice.

As I keep on saying, its LAND and everything to do with it that needs the reform

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Tony Benn was on the box the other day defending MP remuneration by claiming that it was a 24 hours a day seven days a week job.

So it looks like he was lying. What a surprise.

Some bloke called Stuart Bell (possibly a Sir) was saying the same repeating those words exactly. The 24/7 line sounds like a favourite sound bite that they'll keep repeating over and over and hope that people believe them.

Most people know that they only attend parliament about 6 months a year and then only attend 3 days a week.

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Having people who are career politicians is not ideal, but the practice of being an MP and using this as a vantage point to secure huge pay-offs/fees from a number of organisations is not one I feel happy about.

Conflict of interests seems to be a distinct possibility, and with big bucks whilst IN government, a fat non-contributory public sector pension and the promise of a directorship in big business when out of it, it is easy to see why they all scramble up the greasy pole and say ANYthing to get into power.

I can remember nearly thirty years ago when I was unemployed after my degree, I was doing voluntary work to get some experience in counselling, as I wished to pursued this as a paid career. I already knew I could not claim unemployment benefits, as it was a while since I worked. What was REALLY diabolical was that I could not sign on - to get my NI stamp - as I was deemed ' not able to work - 'cos I was doing voluntary work. :angry: :angry:

They had me both ends against the middle, and to think that these lying, self-serving, useless hogs want a public sector job and pension - with cushy conditions, concessions and allowances - whilst they pay lip service to the work, as well as a nice little earner - or three - on the side, and they begrudged me a stamp, as I could not say, hand on heart that I was available for work - all day and every day- 'cos I was doing work for nothing: Work that they were too sodding mean to pay me for.

Beggars belief, it really does. :ph34r:

They should at least have to declare where their interests lie and stop trying to grab the goodies from every tray. No wonder they are making a horlicks of running the country, they are too busy feathering their own nests.

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Among the highest earners is Nick Raynsford, the former housing minister, who collected £148,000 from six private-sector jobs last year, mostly connected to housing,

Wonder what that means exactly?

I hope its not to do with planning allocation malpractice.

As I keep on saying, its LAND and everything to do with it that needs the reform

Nick Raynsford should be facing a disciplinary committee. You aren't telling me that he did not use insider knowledge to get these little earners? <_<

They are a corrupt set of barstwards and I'd like to put every one of them in the village stocks. That is where they belong.

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Did they mention david blunkett? Instigator of the ID card scheme and director of those companies that will get the contracts, and will receive a shedload of money as a result.

The corruption is so blatant most people cant even see it.

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Nick Raynsford should be facing a disciplinary committee. You aren't telling me that he did not use insider knowledge to get these little earners? <_<

They are a corrupt set of barstwards and I'd like to put every one of them in the village stocks. That is where they belong.

actually, I'm pretty sure he worked in housing for many years before becoming an MP - hosuign associtaiosn and campaigning etc.

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actually, I'm pretty sure he worked in housing for many years before becoming an MP - hosuign associtaiosn and campaigning etc.

What can he possibly have done that warrants SIX firms being willing to pay him such large amounts? :o My father inlaw was a bank inspector and he used to do the books for a local charity. He got paid nothing except minimal expenses, as he believed that his banking salary was enough for him and he was working for a CHARITY.

Is the world so effing greedy now, that no one does anything unless you cross their palms with silver? <_<

Don't give me an answer. I already know it.

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Tony Benn was on the box the other day defending MP remuneration by claiming that it was a 24 hours a day seven days a week job.

So it looks like he was lying. What a surprise.

Indeed; if being an MP was a 24/7 job how would they find time to become ministers?

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Indeed; if being an MP was a 24/7 job how would they find time to become ministers?

I think that what the Torygraph has done throughout (and I am a reader of that organ) has been to imply that fiddling is the norm rather than the exception.I don't think that this has in fact been the case.

I know both my current (Lab) MP and the previous (Tory) one over 23 years.The current one lives in a semi detached house and drives a six year old car,the previous one drives a Fiesta,so if they have been coining it they havn't been spending it on high living.

My brother called in on saturday and said that he had read that the current one had bought a washing machine and had driven it to his flat in London and plumbed it in himself.He said that this was obviously a scam and that it had been for his family home.It so happens that the MP drives a saloon car and he had borrowed a car from me to transport it to London.

This illustrates the extent that belief in our elected representatives has been undermined by the media.I agree with Michael Howard that the Telegraph has in a way done a disservice.

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This illustrates the extent that belief in our elected representatives has been undermined by the media.I agree with Michael Howard that the Telegraph has in a way done a disservice.

Yeah, in the same way as the trust in Harold Shipman was undermined by the media.

Disgraceful behaviour.

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Yeah, in the same way as the trust in Harold Shipman was undermined by the media.

Disgraceful behaviour.

And of course journalists wouldn't consider adding the six doube g&t's they consume in the lunch hour(s) to the expense account would they?. The words pot and kettle come to mind.

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And of course journalists wouldn't consider adding the six doube g&t's they consume in the lunch hour(s) to the expense account would they?. The words pot and kettle come to mind.

Only in the sense that you must have been smoking pot if you think this is comparable? - private companies expenses are a different kettle of fish to what's been going on here at the publics expense.

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actually, I'm pretty sure he worked in housing for many years before becoming an MP - hosuign associtaiosn and campaigning etc.

Nick Raynsford :-

Register of Members' Interests

1. Remunerated directorships

Deputy Chairman (from 11 June 2008-June 2009), Construction Industry Council. The CIC is an umbrella body for professionals and consultants in the construction industry.

Chairman, NHBC Foundation, a body which oversees the NHBC's research programme on matters of relevance to the housebuilding industry and the UK housebuilding market.

Rockpools (non-executive); company specialising in executive recruitment and development.

Hometrack (non-executive); an organisation providing valuation and related services in the housing market.

Chairman, National Centre for Excellence in Housing (NCEiH).

President of the Constructionarium; project designed to give young construction professionals and students experience of the processes involved in building and civil engineering projects.

2. Remunerated employment, office, profession etc

Articles for Building journal. (Up to £5,000)

Articles for the Municipal Journal. (Up to £5,000)

Chair of the Fire Protection Association Council. (£5,001-£10,000)

Register last updated: 24 Jun 2009. More about the Register

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Did they mention david blunkett? Instigator of the ID card scheme and director of those companies that will get the contracts, and will receive a shedload of money as a result.

The corruption is so blatant most people cant even see it.

I think they can see it

They've just given up caring because they feel so unempowered

The system works like clockwork.

As long as people are JUST comfortable enough, have a scummy job, 200 channels of crap to watch on TV and 2 weeks holiday in Torremalinos paid on their plastic, they don't give a $hit.

The problems will start when the people lose confidence in the system in the manner that is happening right now in Iran. This is when we'll discover just what an illusion our democracy really is because the state will use violence to restore order in exactly the same way as Ahmadinajad (sp?)and the hardline clerics.

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