nohpc Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Oil up - this is 100% due to speculation in my opinion. Natural gas hasn't really shifted from it's low showing it has nothing to do with actual demand That and all this news about shipping containers down, HGV drivers saying how there is nothing being shifted etc etc. Can they really keep the lie going long enough till we actually have a recovery thus avoiding further stock market crashes etc? How can we (and usa) be out of recession when unemployment is still rising. What is driving economic growth if less people are buying stuff and both our economies are 70% based on people buying stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moo Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 How can we (and usa) be out of recession when unemployment is still rising. What is driving economic growth if less people are buying stuff and both our economies are 70% based on people buying stuff. I seem to remember reading recently that the only Thing growing at the moment was state expenditure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOP Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 I can't resist posting this again. I couldn't sum it up any better than this guy. what phucking recovery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric pebble Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 I seem to remember reading recently that the only Thing growing at the moment was state expenditure. Yup - the future reality is BLEAK....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 Men In A Boat Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Oil up - this is 100% due to speculation in my opinion. Natural gas hasn't really shifted from it's low showing it has nothing to do with actual demandCorrect That and all this news about shipping containers down, HGV drivers saying how there is nothing being shifted etc etc. We import lots of products and it is certainly a buyers market re transport at the moment. Problem we will have is that it will take longer to get things over as there are less boats making the journey. Can they really keep the lie going long enough till we actually have a recovery thus avoiding further stock market crashes etc? No, not indefinately How can we (and usa) be out of recession when unemployment is still rising. What is driving economic growth if less people are buying stuff and both our economies are 70% based on people buying stuff. Blind hope But everything else is coming up smelling of roses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixle Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 (edited) If people keep putting "Green Shoots" in thread titles, this chasing the market business is going to take a while*. [ *Price changed: from 'From £83,997' to 'From £83,996' source: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sa...y-24970784.html ] Edited June 23, 2009 by Mixle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 The main reason for all this talk of green shoots and recovery is to prevent social unrest and industrial action. They are managing peoples perceptions and so they think things are much better than they really are. That and the fear of the police is all that's keeping the rabble in line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 Men In A Boat Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 If people keep putting "Green Shoots" in thread titles, this chasing the market business is going to take a while*.[ *Price changed: from 'From £83,997' to 'From £83,996' source: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sa...y-24970784.html ] You mean you can save a whole pound on this flat - bargain, I must rush and buy it up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashinmattress Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Oil up - this is 100% due to speculation in my opinion. Natural gas hasn't really shifted from it's low showing it has nothing to do with actual demand Yep. Oil futures arbitrage.... nothing will change. It is fraud on a global scale and should be made illegal, but not a chance as the IMC and petro factions eclipse any nation or government. Get used to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabberwocky Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 The trouble with the green shoots is that they are ingrowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 The main reason for all this talk of green shoots and recovery is to prevent social unrest and industrial action.They are managing peoples perceptions and so they think things are much better than they really are. That and the fear of the police is all that's keeping the rabble in line. Exactly. What would be the point of importing millions of folk into the UK & then having to mow them all down along with the indigenous peasants & all because they wont stay in line as the economy terminally collapses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 There are a few off-spring I know that....eats shoots and leaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loginandtonic Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 The main reason for all this talk of green shoots and recovery is to prevent social unrest and industrial action.They are managing peoples perceptions and so they think things are much better than they really are. That and the fear of the police is all that's keeping the rabble in line. +1 petrol now well over a £1 a litre at forecourts btw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Exactly. What would be the point of importing millions of folk into the UK & then having to mow them all down along with the indigenous peasants & all because they wont stay in line as the economy terminally collapses? These 100,000's of Eastern Europeans that are milling around on the dole are waiting to replace the indigenous workers. They are a reserve army of cheap labor brought in to drive down the wages and conditions in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebenstein Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 I seem to remember reading recently that the only Thing growing at the moment was state expenditure. Quick, how to do I buy the state. I want to fill my boots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nohpc Posted June 23, 2009 Author Share Posted June 23, 2009 Quick, how to do I buy the state. I want to fill my boots. Just send a wee note to Gordon Brown. I'm sure he'll let you have it for a snip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Quick, how to do I buy the state. I want to fill my boots. A nominal tenner will suffice Mr. Livingstone...... did we mention those dynamic PFIs you will 'inherit'? never mind the olympic stadia(?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pindar Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 (edited) Of course it's lies. When has any politician ever done anything else? Brown even admitted a few months back that the government had "advised" the media to stop reporting bad news and to focus on the positive stuff. It's like communist Russia all over again, except they call it "freedom" - freedom to believe whatever brand of nonsense you choose, as long as it's repeated by an "official" source. Edited June 23, 2009 by Von Moses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric pebble Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Of course it's lies. When has any politician ever done anything else?Brown even admitted a few months back that the government had "advised" the media to stop reporting bad news and to focus on the positive stuff. It's like communist Russia all over again, except they call it "freedom" - freedom to believe whatever brand of nonsense you choose, as long as it's repeated by an "official" source. Frightening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grey shark Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Only green shoots Gordon sees are those growing in his nose , Gordon caught on camera picking and eating the contents of his nose ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horridbloke Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 The main reason for all this talk of green shoots and recovery is to prevent social unrest and industrial action.They are managing peoples perceptions and so they think things are much better than they really are. That and the fear of the police is all that's keeping the rabble in line. How long now before the cops switch over to full-on overt fascist oppressor mode? Believe me they aren't nearly there yet (except in Bournemouth). I think the nightmare scenario of insufficient food for everyone (the UK imports the vast majority of its calories) and traffic wardens with big guns taking out anyone who gets too close to the canned food reserves is looking quite plausible. Now where did I put that "Threads" DVD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 How long now before the cops switch over to full-on overt fascist oppressor mode? Believe me they aren't nearly there yet (except in Bournemouth). I think the nightmare scenario of insufficient food for everyone (the UK imports the vast majority of its calories) and traffic wardens with big guns taking out anyone who gets too close to the canned food reserves is looking quite plausible.Now where did I put that "Threads" DVD? Its the carrot and the stick scenario. When people realize that they will never get the carrot they will need to use a lot more stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meerkat Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I seem to remember reading recently that the only Thing growing at the moment was state expenditure. There is indeed only one client out there atm... pi55ing against wind and still heavily drunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horridbloke Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 (edited) Its the carrot and the stick scenario. When people realize that they will never get the carrot they will need to use a lot more stick. "The mathematics are simple. The more people die, the more food everybody else has." (paraphrased very loosely from Threads). Amazing though. Back in the eighties we thought it would take a bunch of thermonuclear bombs, or possibly triffids, to finish us off. In reality we just needed an obsession with shiny electronic toys, a spivved up financial system touting those special financial packages the esteemed Eric Pebbles regularly cites and an inability to see any possible downside to globalism. Editted: duplicated word Edited June 24, 2009 by Horridbloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BAREBEAR_soon to be ALIVA Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 The green shoots is like kids in the car, are we there yet, are we there yet ? Are we nearly there ? how long until we're nearly there ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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