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Up To 35,000 Shops Could Be Shut During 2009

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BBC warning the masses for more bad news to come .......

For the past 10 years we have shopped till we dropped. Now the cash has run out and the party is over.

Up to 35,000 shops could be shut during the course of 2009, according to research obtained by the BBC's Money Programme.

Shops on the High Street could be closing at a rate of 100 per day, according to research firm Experian.

Every day, and tens of thousands are losing their jobs. The recession has caused havoc in High Streets up and down the country.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8113640.stm

Talk of green shoots is now over .......... there never was any green shoots anyway ....... just HOPE of green shoots

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BBC warning the masses for more bad news to come .......

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8113640.stm

Talk of green shoots is now over .......... there never was any green shoots anyway ....... just HOPE of green shoots

Internet shopping was always going to eat away at a lot of these shops. Given the extortionate rent levels in town and city centres, I'm surprised so many shops have lasted so long. And don't get me started on Starbukcs....

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..and what will, if anything replace our local shops?

a. If rents are too high.

b. If there is nowhere to park.

c. If there is somewhere to park but the cost and aggravation makes it just not worth it.

Who cares anyway. :(

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..and what will, if anything replace our local shops?

a. If rents are too high.

b. If there is nowhere to park.

c. If there is somewhere to park but the cost and aggravation makes it just not worth it.

Who cares anyway. :(

parking is the big problem i think. i wont pay to park so i can spend money, thats ridiculous.

im hoping that the high streets will see the return of small cafes and pubs. They should be places where people can go to socialise above all else, and whilst they are there buy some stuff.

thing is, the whole set up is geared up to exclude small business from doing that. cheap beer, cheap drinks, cheap food, places to sit down and relax without feeling like your on a timer.

Commercial rents will have to come right down to being virtually free. Business rates will have to be scrapped. Its the only way. This government has killed this country.

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parking is the big problem i think. i wont pay to park so i can spend money, thats ridiculous.

im hoping that the high streets will see the return of small cafes and pubs. They should be places where people can go to socialise above all else, and whilst they are there buy some stuff.

thing is, the whole set up is geared up to exclude small business from doing that. cheap beer, cheap drinks, cheap food, places to sit down and relax without feeling like your on a timer.

Commercial rents will have to come right down to being virtually free. Business rates will have to be scrapped. Its the only way. This government has killed this country.

I too feel cheated when asked/expected to pay to park, just another tax in my eyes, today I saw the bakery delivery van get a ticket undertaking his job of supplying to our local bakery, how sick is that.

I would like to say get on my bike, but what can you carry home in the basket?...maybe cycle to the local cafe for a chat and a coffee will be all that is left. ;)

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Commercial rents will have to come right down to being virtually free. Business rates will have to be scrapped. Its the only way. This government has killed this country.

Bear in mind, the rates only eat into what would otherwise be taken by rents anyway

The total cost of being somewhere is going to have fall dramatically

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It is the tax system more than rent.

Say there is an empty shop and you fancy trying to set up a small café.

You have to pay:

VAT.

Employers NI.

Hire an accountant (which is a tax because the tax system is too complicated).

Income tax on your wages.

Capital gains on the business.

Taxes on utilities.

Rates.

Then you have what are in effect indirect taxes to the business.

Employee income tax.

Fuel tax

Tax tax tax tax

Plus take into account the lost earning to get the business started and the risk on your money, it may well not work out.

I honestly don’t know how a lot of smaller businesses survive. If you sit down and do the math either a lot of them are avoiding tax or they just about survive.

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Is it better to buy goods from shops because the quality of life living around people who work is better than not.

Why don't we all just stop working live on love or on our wits...can't be long now before the penny drops. ;)

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Why don't we all just stop working live on love or on our wits...can't be long now before the penny drops. ;)

A fellow "Breatharian" there are so few of us about :ph34r:

Breatharians claim to live on cosmic light alone

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1999/sep/28/millennium.uk

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8060648983626971848

Edited by Tom Peters

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I too hate to pay for parking although in my local towns (Fleet and Farnham) there are still some free spaces which makes going into town much more civilised.

Obviously the rise in local councils increasing parking fees has been caused directly by successive governments (particularly this current shower) decreasing the levels of funding they give; which causes the councils to have to tax in other ways.

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I too hate to pay for parking although in my local towns (Fleet and Farnham) there are still some free spaces which makes going into town much more civilised.

Obviously the rise in local councils increasing parking fees has been caused directly by successive governments (particularly this current shower) decreasing the levels of funding they give; which causes the councils to have to tax in other ways.

Many local councils are only interested in decimating local towns and working communities...when it is gone it is gone and then nobody will then will have a reason to to park there again.

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this has been a topic in our house for months, the jackass family live near walton on thames and there are almost as many closed shops as open ones there. i feel sorry for the shop keepers, every day you see an end of lease sale, then the shop gets boarded up and thats how it stays. nevermind tho, still got the internet.......until they start taxing that.. then what? :o

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I walked down Kensington High Street the other day, then up Kensington Church Street - two pleasant, bustling shopping streets in a very well-to-do area of Lahndahn. On my way I saw several new charity shops, new units sat empty and one unit in a prime location that's been on the market for over a year it seems.

If the recession is hitting Kensington, god knows how it's ravaging my home town in the North West.

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Why don't we all just stop working live on love or on our wits...can't be long now before the penny drops. ;)

Been doing that for the last two years...

You know- we are now seeing the end of this ridiculous nouveau riche society. I'm just waiting for the big reset. It will happen when-

WESMINSTER WAKES UP

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I walked down Kensington High Street the other day, then up Kensington Church Street - two pleasant, bustling shopping streets in a very well-to-do area of Lahndahn. On my way I saw several new charity shops, new units sat empty and one unit in a prime location that's been on the market for over a year it seems.

If the recession is hitting Kensington, god knows how it's ravaging my home town in the North West.

Charity shops and pound shops will all that will be left if our local councils don't help the small businesses.

Four major banks and four supermarkets will takeover and kill our communities if this continues to carry on. :ph34r:

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Been doing that for the last two years...

You know- we are now seeing the end of this ridiculous nouveau riche society. I'm just waiting for the big reset. It will happen when-

WESMINSTER WAKES UP

Great feeling to wearing what you want, do what you want within reason not to have to impress anyone, drive an old bangger live the way you want to, do and say what you feel,and sod what anyone thinks about you...that is their problem. ;)

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Charity shops and pound shops will all that will be left if our local councils don't help the small businesses.

Charity shops aren't getting the stuff they used to. A poorer society will throw stuff away.

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Charity shops and pound shops will all that will be left if our local councils don't help the small businesses.

Four major banks and four supermarkets will takeover and kill our communities if this continues to carry on. :ph34r:

It's been tragic hasn't it, to watch councils destroy local commerce? Back in Bolton the Council rammed through plans to gut a historical local shopping arcade (local shopkeepers, catering to local low-income folks) and replace it with a hellish mall full of 'high street brands'.

The Council then spunked millions building this monstrosity:

IMG_0372%20bolton%20bridge%20xx.jpg

What you can't see from the photo is the road that this bridge is on is lined with charity shops and pound stores. Tragic.

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the problem is not the shops closing. its the wallets closing, which was caused by the income closing, which was caused by the credit closing which was caused by an over balanced pyramid based on....

....over priced housing and associated lending.

theres no relief that i can see on the 10 year horizon.

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the problem is not the shops closing. its the wallets closing, which was caused by the income closing, which was caused by the credit closing which was caused by an over balanced pyramid based on....

....over priced housing and associated lending.

theres no relief that i can see on the 10 year horizon.

The people have been spooked they are now repaying and trying to save...they are now realising that tat and excess on borrowed money does not make for a happy existence. ;)

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The people have been spooked they are now repaying and trying to save...they are now realising that tat and excess on borrowed money does not make for a happy existence. ;)

that but they aslo have the added thing of massive out of town supermarkets and internet.

makes me laugh. they destroyed their own societies with their own self greed.

i like how they always end with.

when the upturn comes......

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that but they aslo have the added thing of massive out of town supermarkets and internet.

makes me laugh. they destroyed their own societies with their own self greed.

i like how they always end with.

when the upturn comes......

You will never kill a local community completely...investment in our future will be our neighbours.

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