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Your post is having a bout of schizophrenia.

Fix your link, or change the header please.

They are equivalent, if they can get self drive cars to work it is the same with regards to energy as finding a 15-20m barrel a day oil field.

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I like the image, very Viz.

article-1194481-056C0C3E000005DC-443_468x328.jpg

What car is he perusing?

Hmmm........professional drive. He's just passed out of driving school, but strangely he didn't want to learn how to brake.

I'm sure something like that happened with landing at US flying schools.

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They are equivalent, if they can get self drive cars to work it is the same with regards to energy as finding a 15-20m barrel a day oil field.

Yes but your title states "Two Super Massive Oil Fields Discovered" not "The Equivalent Of Two Super Massive Oil Fields Discovered".

Totally misleading and stupid title.

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If the professional driver crashes, we can see massive pile ups - cars will follow him like lemmings!

Forget that article, it won’t work

But it is a small step towards fully automated self drive cars.

This particular idea is a bit shit, they should make the cars connect physically and then you could even turn off the 9 engines behind the “professional†driver.

Some 95% of the energy used to travel at 80mph is wind resistance which you can reduce massively if cars travel inches from each other. You could completely reduce the wind resistance element if cars were designed like buses with flat fronts and backs. That way a chain of 10 cars would use 80-90% less fuel.

Alternatively a chain of cars can trail at 150mph and again use 75% less fuel compared to driving by yourself at 70mph.

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They are equivalent, if they can get self drive cars to work it is the same with regards to energy as finding a 15-20m barrel a day oil field.

The article only very loosely alludes to fuel efficiency benefits.

Please justify, even with simple arithmetic, the figures you quote.

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Forget that article, it won’t work

But it is a small step towards fully automated self drive cars.

This particular idea is a bit shit, they should make the cars connect physically and then you could even turn off the 9 engines behind the “professional†driver.

Some 95% of the energy used to travel at 80mph is wind resistance which you can reduce massively if cars travel inches from each other. You could completely reduce the wind resistance element if cars were designed like buses with flat fronts and backs. That way a chain of 10 cars would use 80-90% less fuel.

Alternatively a chain of cars can trail at 150mph and again use 75% less fuel compared to driving by yourself at 70mph.

Hey I got an idea - a wacky zany one.

Its called public transport :lol:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Irrelevant

Roger Irrelevant ("he's completely hatstand") is a character from the British comic Viz, created by Davey Jones. During the 1980s he starred in short, half-page or three-framed strips which later evolved to full-page spreads by the 1990s. Since 2005 he has appeared only sporadically in Viz.

A bespectacled boy of indeterminate age (perhaps early teens), Roger Irrelevant is utterly detached from reality. The premise of the strip is that he spends his entire time making irrelevant remarks and suffering from bizarre delusions, usually involving inanimate objects. Roger does not have much of a personality and is oblivious to nearly everything around him.

For example, in one strip, Roger throws a lamp from the roof of a house after a long, impassioned (and obviously unsuccessful) plea for the lamp not to commit suicide. On another occasion he decides to elope with an armchair, declaring it is pregnant with his children. Another time sees him disrupting the funeral of a relative by dragging the corpse out of the coffin and - employing a Brooklyn accent and emulating a character from a Mickey Spillane novel - aggressively questioning the deceased about some stolen goods.

His parents seem to be very understanding and merely politely request that he stops his behaviour. These are the only times that Roger manages to show any sign of interaction with real people, although usually it is only in the form of saying things like "wibble wibble." (dictionary.com attributes this nonsense-word to Roger; see External Links below.) "Frisnit" and "z'goft" are two of Roger's other favourite words.

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Hey I got an idea - a wacky zany one.

Its called public transport :lol:

Here's an even better idea. Why not make the public tansport not be ludicrously expensive, filthy and unreliable.

It's over £200 for a peak fare between Manchester and London.

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Sounds like a great idea.

Join loads of cars together and only the front car has a driver.

Why has it never been used before?

Why not put them on rails as well to make them even safer?

Load of ********. Like something from Tomorrow's World in 1976.

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Hey I got an idea - a wacky zany one.

Its called public transport :lol:

Not in Britain mate. You might have to talk to other people.

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Here's an even better idea. Why not make the public tansport not be ludicrously expensive, filthy and unreliable.

It's over £200 for a peak fare between Manchester and London.

Have you never heard of Megabus.com ? ;):P

http://www.megabus.com/

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The article only very loosely alludes to fuel efficiency benefits.

Please justify, even with simple arithmetic, the figures you quote.

Self drive cars/taxis will turn the average trip from 1 person per car to 4 or 6 people per car. It would do this by picking up and dropping off people that are starting and finishing at roughly the same places at the same time.

That alone will decrease energy requirements for personal travel by 75%.

Then if cars travel very close to each other with modified designs you can nearly remove the entire air friction element. At higher speeds most the fuel is spent battling the air friction rather than tire friction. If you want figures for tire vs air then look at this book (free online). http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/sustain.../ps/253.326.pdf

At 70mph 85% of the fuel is spent battling the air so if self drive cars drive a few inches from each other you have a 80% reduction in fuel consumption which would be like turning a 50mpg car into a 250mpg car. More realistically taking all speeds into account you could have a 33% reduction in fuel on average (80% on motorways).

So you have more people in each car and each car using less energy. Overall it could reduce energy consumption of personal transport by 80%.

Even if the reduction was only 66% it would be huge. Equivalent to reducing consumption by about 20m barrels a day. (guestimate math: 1 billion cars, 12k miles per year, 35mpg average, 36 gallons a barrel equals 26 million barrels a day for cars. Refining the oil, transporting it, etc uses energy. Say 20% saved there. Equals 32.5m barrels a day. 66.66% of that equals 21.5m barrels a day)

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I love the way that convoy of the future is hogging all three lanes, and probably travelling at an economical 65mph. What if some poor sod fancies driving past at 70mph, or, dare I say it 75mph?

What happens when the professional driver doesn't appear, and a load of tired drivers, expecting to eat their breakfast en route, have to make their journey alone? Maybe they just park on the motorway and wait?

How much are these 'professional drivers' charging?

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Hey I got an idea - a wacky zany one.

Its called public transport :lol:

Too expensive.

Self drive cars would cost less than £2 per person from Newcastle to London and that is including the governments 70% tax on fuel. The cheapest alternative is trains at about £45 each way or coach that would take you 8 hours at £20 each way.

(6 people in a self drive people carrier doing 200mpg average in a daisy chain travailing at 100mph) 7 litres of diesel or £8 divided amongst 6 people and only 3 to 3.5 hours time travel. Take away the government tax on fuel and it is only 50p a person. Add in depreciation of the car and your looking at double the figure or some sub £4 per person or sub £2 with no government tax.

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I love the way that convoy of the future is hogging all three lanes, and probably travelling at an economical 65mph. What if some poor sod fancies driving past at 70mph, or, dare I say it 75mph?

What happens when the professional driver doesn't appear, and a load of tired drivers, expecting to eat their breakfast en route, have to make their journey alone? Maybe they just park on the motorway and wait?

How much are these 'professional drivers' charging?

That picture was trying to show how it would take over a slow moving car, ie each in the chain would move a bit like a snake to take over the slow moving car before they get back into one lane.

A chain of cars would drive much faster because it doesn’t cost a lot more fuel to double the speed from 70mph to 140mph. assuming all the cars could do it they would likely go at 100mph plus on the motorway.

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It costs about 20p a mile, total running costs for a car.

I want to travel from London to Cardiff and back which is 300 miles roundtrip

or £60, of which about £30 is fuel (50mpg /£1 per liter /4.54 liters per imperial gallon)

The train ticket purchased in advance, offpeak is £61, anytime it is £176.

Leave home, get to train station with any luggage or gifts, wait on platform

for train, board , change, board, change, arrive in London. Walk to tube and

go around, get off and walk or bus to destination.

Get in car , drive, stop.

Takes about 2hours 45 minutes by car door to door.

2 hours 50 minutes by train from boarding to arriving at a station. Plus each end and 10 minutes waiting.

Cheaper, faster, more comfortable, flexible, relaxing and enjoyable to drive.

Also you can travel on a Sunday, Bank holiday, Weekend, Train Strike, 2nd Wednesday of the month,

leaves on the line, driver failed to turn up, delayed for 30 minutes. Or get a seat, smoke, listen to

music, carry passengers, make phone calls.

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You can already do all that!!.....It's called a train!!

- Trevor, Perth, 21/6/2009 03:36

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