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I was saying last week that Gordon was toast and wouldn't survive the week, how wrong I was.

It seems clear to me that the whole country hates GB and no one wants him, yet the Labour party cling to him.

What does this say about the state of the UK political system? What hope is there? What can be done?

It is all very depressing.

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Just proves what spineless and stupid MP's inhabit the Labor Party

The longer Brown stays the better the outcome for the Tories

He will get knifed again ,Mandelson et all are just manouevering

for the final kill

This is all about personal power games and heehaw about doing the right thing

for the country

They will suffer in the long run

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He's a zombie primeminister. Lord Volemandleson is in charge.

Yes I called the pinky pinky but Mandy seems to have stalled or has a certain timescale.

I wonder if Mandy would be effective if he wasnt such a slimey detestable devious tw@t

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I was saying last week that Gordon was toast and wouldn't survive the week, how wrong I was.

It seems clear to me that the whole country hates GB and no one wants him, yet the Labour party cling to him.

What does this say about the state of the UK political system? What hope is there? What can be done?

It is all very depressing.

theres no gordon revival, its simply as someone else here said - the MPs want the best chance of salary until June 2010 after which its p45 time for them + they know it, if they had taken a new leader they'd have to have a gen elect in autumn, thats up to 9 months less salary for them than staying behind gordon now

He's a zombie primeminister. Lord Volemandleson is in charge.

exactly

edited to add: thats why they may swap leader this autumn but still try to delay gen elect until may or june 2010

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In some alternative universe, Hazel Blears is a hero for being the first obvious pebble that caused the landslide.

In our universe, Blears seems to have become the focus of the venom (that maybe she deserves a measure of) that should be perhaps directed at GB.

In our universe, Blears is the new Brown. For now at least.

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I was saying last week that Gordon was toast and wouldn't survive the week, how wrong I was.

It seems clear to me that the whole country hates GB and no one wants him, yet the Labour party cling to him.

What does this say about the state of the UK political system? What hope is there? What can be done?

It is all very depressing.

I will answer your question with another question: "Why are none of the Labour heavyweights mounting a leadership challenge against their badly-wounded, unpopular leader?".

Answer this one, and you'll have a very interesting answer as to why the party are "clinging to him". :lol:

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I will answer your question with another question: "Why are none of the Labour heavyweights mounting a leadership challenge against their badly-wounded, unpopular leader?".

Answer this one, and you'll have a very interesting answer as to why the party are "clinging to him". :lol:

How about answering your question to a question. Do tell.

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What does this say about the state of the UK political system?

It says that we live in a country where the party and PM in power can get there with only 35% or 40% of the vote.

You can get elected here by a minority of the population. Continuing to govern when the majority hates you therefore isn't hard.....

The more relevant question is how could you have been so niaive as to think otherwise?

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I was saying last week that Gordon was toast and wouldn't survive the week, how wrong I was.

It seems clear to me that the whole country hates GB and no one wants him, yet the Labour party cling to him.

It's not a complement to be honest, he only remains because things are so bad for Labour, in many ways their share of the vote is so dire they presume things cannot get any worse, they are simply resigned to defeat. Besides, the psychopath refuses to go and lacks any true honour or intergity, trying to remove him will leave lots of blood on the walls at a time when Labour are already at their most weakest.

They're wrong of course, things will get worse, there will have to be an emergency budget in the autumn once the deficit and public debt crisis hits. They're still in denial about this at the moment, the same way they were in denial about the recession a year ago.

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The British are pig shit thick. Not that this is really news to anyone.

:lol:

I suppose I could answer the OP with a long, well-considered analysis, but why bother when this post pretty much nails the fundamentals? We're reaping what the Great British public sowed, three times over.

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I was saying last week that Gordon was toast and wouldn't survive the week, how wrong I was.

It seems clear to me that the whole country hates GB and no one wants him, yet the Labour party cling to him.

What does this say about the state of the UK political system? What hope is there? What can be done?

It is all very depressing.

You have to understand the idea that it is nearly impossible to remove a Prime Minister in our current political system.

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I was saying last week that Gordon was toast and wouldn't survive the week, how wrong I was.

It seems clear to me that the whole country hates GB and no one wants him, yet the Labour party cling to him.

What does this say about the state of the UK political system? What hope is there? What can be done?

It is all very depressing.

You have a short memory. The Liar survived several similar crises in his later years.

Note that the meeja always build up momentum against a party leader, regardless of the merits of it. If the tories sweep to power and Brown goes, they'll have Clegg's head on a platter next. If the tories don't sweep to power ... you get the picture. It's unhealthy, but even more to the point it shows up something of what's wrong with putting so much power in the hands of any single person as a party leader, let alone PM.

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For those who don't already have funds to escape the UK, Brown's continued survival is in some ways a good thing.

As Frank Field pointed out on Any Questions yesterday the crisis has to be paid for by borrowing and there is a risk of a gilt strike which would bring about immediate collapse. Another thread today points out that FTB's are giving up on the dream of homeownership.

The best that any young FTBer in the UK can hope for is to save every penny they can (preferably in a non-sterling denominated account) and leave the country before TSHTF - as it most certainly will just after the next election.

Its not that Brown's continued presence in Number 10 is the glue holding everything together, its that his determination to hold onto power is buying you time to build escape funds.

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My 2p worth...

Brown has been face down in the mud for so much of his premiership, when he manages to lift his head it seems like he is doing well.

It's all about levels of competence & expectation. As an example, Blair was in comparison, squeaky clean, so even if he got his shoes muddy he was lambasted.

It's akin to the class idiot, grades E to F for years. When he/she gets a D, praise is showered upon them.

The class swat with grades A's and B's left, right and centre, gets a C, it is frowned upon and seen as a failure.

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How about answering your question to a question. Do tell.

Ok, I'll bite :)

Most (all?) of the front runners of any political party have a craving for the top spot; it's what they have dedicated their whole lives to. In that, they are no different from any other driven high flier such as a singer, athlete, or company director.

We have a situation where the leader of the country is badly wounded and deeply unpopular; this is the moment that they are waiting for, their chance at the ultimate prize. Yet none are going for it. The top dogs of the Labour party don't want to be PM. Why?

My best guess here is that they are behaving like fishermen - they will only pull on the line when they are sure that they will hook - and keep - the fish.

Hooking the fish shouldn't be too much of a risk, but holding on to it?

Maybe they've decided that the Labour party has a snowball in hell's chance of winning the next election, so they'll wait another 5 years for their one chance at the top spot (and a better chance of winning an election). Maybe they've decided that big spending cuts are inevitable in the next year and don't want to grasp that nettle. I don't know the exact reason; the most useful nugget of information to extract from this is that the labour top dogs must believe that the role of PM is going to be a career-killer for the near future.

Which in a roundabout way is an answer to the original poster's question.

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Gordon Brown is a puppet.

Hes there to represent the continued shiit that we are all as a people forced to endure. he represents all the crap managers in jobs they cant do, and hes still there, represing stronger talent.

I was watching that podcast from the other thread about Detroit and how the place has gone from 2m to 0.7m people and the notion of WHITE FLIGHT, ie, white people moving away from the blacks, well, thats whats going to happen to England, and they are gearing up for it, all positions of power will be held by representatives of the scum left behind, people like Brown that wouldn't make it out side in the real world and are only in power because of the socialist ideal of recruiting based on servitude, not talent. but he's still a puppet, and the real power of this country is keeping him there.

leaving the country is almost the only option left.

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the labour top dogs must believe that the role of PM is going to be a career-killer for the near future.

Quite, it's like being offered captaincy of the Titanic after it had hit the iceberg.

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... but he's still a puppet, and the real power of this country is keeping him there.

And the 'real power of this country' is what/who/whom?

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How about answering your question to a question. Do tell.

Because being the leader of the Labour party going into the next election is a poisoned chalice that no-one (with any longer term aspirations) wants

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I will answer your question with another question: "Why are none of the Labour heavyweights mounting a leadership challenge against their badly-wounded, unpopular leader?".

Answer this one, and you'll have a very interesting answer as to why the party are "clinging to him". :lol:

Right

Blah blah there arn't any blah blah no balls blah blah self interest

But what I think is really making many angry, and very sad is that very very few Labour MPs are standing up for the good of the country. They are putting themselves before the good of the country and putting this together with the expenses scandle has shown them for what they are.

I may not agree with what the Labour party stood for during the last few parliaments but I must admit in being naive enough in believing they did and were in parliament because they wanted to make the country a better place for all. The unveiling of the greed and self preservation is sickening.

Any decent Labour MP would just stand down and join the call for a GE now.

What labour MPs can we still have some faith in their integrity?

Purnel (He has stood down)

Frank Field (He still asks and calls for measures that dont do him favours but need saying)

Hilary Ben (Hmmm but he's still in the cabinet)

Who else has maintained their integrity? Who do you still respect on the Labour benches? You dont have to agree with their policies to have respect for them.

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And the 'real power of this country' is what/who/whom?

the real power is blowing in the wind.

like he keeps saying, hes just doing his job. the big thumbs up to all other retards 'just doing their job'.

the real power is more ephemeral, if you could point at it the Telegraph would have exposed it.

the real power comes from the sum of all the bankers, landowners, military and crime lords.

the people that could engineer his assassination at the drop of a hat, the people that supply weapons and expolsives to terrorist cells.

the people that could visit him in the middle of the night and put a bat up his nightdress.

the people with the ability to give him a terminal disease and immediate sickness through the ether, the people that tripped Margarte Thatcher up, the people that engineered the death of princess diana, the people that engineered 9/11 and 7/7 etc.

this ethearal substance if it so choose could align to oust Brown, but instead its protecting him.

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