Bloo Loo Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 California is the end run of radical green policies, overpaid state workers and mass immigration of poor migrants. It is the ideology most of the western world has followed in this decade, California just went earlier than most.Its a glimpse of our future, if we stay on the current path. Otoh I think many elites like the look of California. No middle class, just a vast poor trying to survive in the face of high energy prices and the like, and a super rich. Isnt california the 4th largest economy in the World? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Foil Hat Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Yeah, it's all a bit CGNAO this isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 There was a nice statistic that during the Tokyo property boom of the late 80s the price of land in central Tokyo had gone to such an astronomical level that the land on which the Imperial Palace stood was, on paper, worth the same as the whole of California. It looks like that could be coming true again, though for very different reasons! Unsurprisingly the proposed cuts are in front line services that actually matter. If they had a cull of non-jobs (participation officers, policy and procedure wallahs, PR, HR, diversity & equality officers, green non-jobs) they would save a lot more and nobody would even notice they had gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebenstein Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 (edited) There was a nice statistic that during the Tokyo property boom of the late 80s the price of land in central Tokyo had gone to such an astronomical level that the land on which the Imperial Palace stood was, on paper, worth the same as the whole of California. It looks like that could be coming true again, though for very different reasons! <SNIP> Pre-1849 levels perhaps? Edited June 14, 2009 by mikelivingstone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_duke_of_hazzard Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Unsurprisingly the proposed cuts are in front line services that actually matter. If they had a cull of non-jobs (participation officers, policy and procedure wallahs, PR, HR, diversity & equality officers, green non-jobs) they would save a lot more and nobody would even notice they had gone. Doesn't this show that that's a bit of a myth then? Surely they'd get rid of "non-jobs" before firemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Doesn't this show that that's a bit of a myth then? Surely they'd get rid of "non-jobs" before firemen. Not really... see here: http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20...s_1n25fire.html The big pay raise on June 30, estimated to cost the state $38.7 million next fiscal year, comes on the last day of a little-publicized union contract approved by lawmakers five years ago.The firefighter contract, which has already boosted base salaries and overtime pay rates, will have increased total pay between 40 percent to 50 percent when it expires, according to the state Department of Finance. Firefighters defend the raise, noting that they will be required to work more hours each week. Total annual pay for fire captain, now 1,340 positions, will have increased to $103,266 at the top salary step, the Finance Department estimates. Pay for battalion chiefs, 265 positions, will have increased to $130,579 at the top step. Their pensions are equally well cushioned. Yes you need firefighters, but those guys have taken a leaf out of Krassus' book here. (Krassus was a rich Roman senator who used to turn up at house fires with hundreds to slaves to 'help', but only if the owner sold his burning hovel there and then cheaply. Eventually a Roman fire service was installed, but not before Krassus became crassly rich due to this (and other) business venture) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrentyieldmakessense(honest!) Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle6489325.ecePolice and firemen to be laid off. Financial aid to be cut. Prisoners to be released early. Recipe for disaster. are they still building houses gonna be interesting when it happens here - do local councils stop burying the dead or stop paying the builders for social housing projects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trashingdays Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Nice article here: California Budget 101: Making Sense of the State's Financial Meltdown It makes the point that the problem is that the state's income is very variable due to being heavily dependent on the taxes raised from the rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InternationalRockSuperstar Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 California is the end run of radical green policies, overpaid state workers and mass immigration of poor migrants. It is the ideology most of the western world has followed in this decade, California just went earlier than most.Its a glimpse of our future, if we stay on the current path. Otoh I think many elites like the look of California. No middle class, just a vast poor trying to survive in the face of high energy prices and the like, and a super rich. pretty much sums it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest มร หล Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 State failure. Told you so. I'll try and get an update from the front line. Most of my family live in LA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest มร หล Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 I worked in California a few years back during the time they were experiencing rolling power cuts, many were predicting 'the end' for the state but things got sorted in the end...You can't keep Californians down, it's the UK that's got the bigger problem... That's because the state decided to fix electricity prices between the supplier and the consumer but not the supplier and the generator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tegan Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 I hope Gordon Brown is taking very careful note of what is happening in California, because that's what's coming here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrentyieldmakessense(honest!) Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 I hope Gordon Brown is taking very careful note of what is happening in California, because that's what's coming here. nah they need to spend money they dont have to deal with the economic downturn and we can kid the bond markets for a while longer by printing money to buy our own debt via third parties and currency swap arrangements likley to be a lot worse here when it implodes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 California is the end run of radical green policies, overpaid state workers and mass immigration of poor migrants. It is the ideology most of the western world has followed in this decade, California just went earlier than most.Its a glimpse of our future, if we stay on the current path. Fits comfortably into the narrow world view of the foaming dailymail and far-right brigade. Whilst, IMHO, the truth is closer to your second statement. Otoh I think many elites like the look of California. No middle class, just a vast poor trying to survive in the face of high energy prices and the like, and a super rich. As proven by innumerable South American, Africa, and Far East countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 nahthey need to spend money they dont have to deal with the economic downturn and we can kid the bond markets for a while longer by printing money to buy our own debt via third parties and currency swap arrangements Indeed. What could possibly go wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Doesn't this show that that's a bit of a myth then? Surely they'd get rid of "non-jobs" before firemen. It depends what the motivation is. Is this is an honest attempt to save money by trimming public spending then I would agree with you. However I would suspect it is an attempt to scare people into agreeing that tax rises are actually necessary. And a cull of non-jobs would not have had the same effect, compare and contrast: If you don't agree to a 5% rise in property tax the State of Calfiornia will: a) release prisoners onto the streets before they complete their sentences sack all PR and Diversity and Equality officers Hmmm...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Watched 'Sideways' again the other night. It still looks like a good place for a road trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CokeSnortingTory Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 There's a few underlying problems in California, along with the budget deficits - I believe that their agricultural output has plummeted over the past 2-3 years due to dry spells and accelerated soil erosion. Also, alot of the tech sector has reportedly moved out of the state. There's predictions that California might see net emigration over the next few years - whether this will actually help, I'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lander Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle6489325.ecePolice and firemen to be laid off. Financial aid to be cut. Prisoners to be released early. Recipe for disaster. Now we know what the FEMA camps are for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skullingtonjoe Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 (edited) Connor wins....but THAT was revealed in the first film.Like Titanic....the ship sank. It will be interesting to see HOW Connor wins given: 1) Full-scale use of most of the planet`s nuclear weapons has knocked out major population centres, plus the whole supply chain of food and water. 2) Humans are up against innovative machines that do not need to eat, drink or sleep. 3) The machines know exactly what they need to do and are single-minded in their mission (wiping out humanity). 4) The machines are stronger and have better processing ability than humans. Their only limiting factor is their inability to think (although Skynet did become `self-conscious`, leading to Judgement Day). On all those counts I`d say it`s `game over` for humanity (especially as - according to the computer guy in Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles - `John Henry` is running `daemons` (suggesting that it`s not a windows-based o/s that the machines use - damn!)) Edited June 14, 2009 by skullingtonjoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CokeSnortingTory Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 (edited) Interesting WSJ think-piece about secessionist movements in America: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...3708759806.html Could this be the ultimate solution for California's problems? Edited June 14, 2009 by CokeSnortingTory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aa3 Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Isnt california the 4th largest economy in the World? It was very high up there.. infact it can be argued it was the richest and most advanced province in the whole world. What happened in America the rest of the world would follow like 15 years later. And what happened in California, America would follow maybe 10 years later. California is the cultural epicenter of the global economy. It is deeper than even Hollywood, the music business and tv.. its also things like the personal fitness phenomenon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CokeSnortingTory Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 California is the cultural epicenter of the global economy. It is deeper than even Hollywood, the music business and tv.. its also things like the personal fitness phenomenon. Yes, a whole world of shallowness, vanity, neurosis, stylised violence and sexual psychosis will be lost with the fall of California. Let the mourning begin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOP Posted June 14, 2009 Author Share Posted June 14, 2009 Yes, a whole world of shallowness, vanity, neurosis, stylised violence and sexual psychosis will be lost with the fall of California.Let the mourning begin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Grocery Stores Begin To Accept Silver in Southern California - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xnIFzP2bTY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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